C13 Acert Help

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  1. mhawk

    mhawk Bobtail Member

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    I have been scouring this and other forums for the past month or so to try to figure out what is wrong with my truck. I have a KCB C13 that has a slight knock/rattle when I'm into the fuel. The side effect is that my fuel mileage is down about 1 mpg. I have had it to 2 different Cat shops and neither one can figure it out. They both agree that something is wrong but can't figure out what it is. It has been on the dyno a few times and they say everything checks out. I origionally thought it was an injector on the way out but when we cut them out it didn't seem to make the noise go away. Overhead was just ran and didn't help. Shortly after that I had a code some on for an IVA. Shortly after that the engine developed a tick. That ended up being a broken spring. Then I got another code and for an IVA, so they replaced another pair of actuators. When the mileage started to drop I put on the Donaldson mufflers. It continued to drop. May have made it worse. Also it gets worse mileage with the fuel temp wire. I run a dedicated run so the fuel numbers are very accurate. Oil samples are good too. I'm at a loss. I'm wasting a ton of money on fuel. Can any of you guys help me out?
     
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  3. DL550CAT

    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    check the exhaust manifold very carefully. If you see any carbon on the outside that could be your problem. I had about the same thing on a C15 mileage was down and a ticking noise that was most noticable with the jake on. It was the exhaust manifold leaking at the slip joints.
     
  4. mhawk

    mhawk Bobtail Member

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    I'll give it another look. The noise almost sounds like a rattle, but it is coming from the engine. You have to be into the fuel and it is most noticible at low rpms before the turbo spools up. Once the turbo spools it drownds out the noise. You can still hear it faintly though.
     
  5. DL550CAT

    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    Mine sounded like a lifter tap on a old chevy 350.
     
  6. mhawk

    mhawk Bobtail Member

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    How bad would the leak have to be to cause a full 1 mpg drop?
     
  7. DL550CAT

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    If you can hear it its bad enough. Before I changed my manifold I lost well over 1 mpg and the throttle response was terrible.
     
  8. Jfaulk99

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    Not sure about fuel mileage drop but when my C15 had 2 broken manifold studs and one broken top turbo mounting stud it became a pooch! Low on power and made the tapping noise when on the floor.

    Even if this ends up not being your problem mhawk it would be worth looking into. We had a C13 with low power and it ended up being a cracked bellow between the chargers. The Acert don't respond well to low boost and an exhaust leak would cause you to lose some drive pressure.
     
  9. mechanicallmake

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    Any exhaust leak will have a bad effect on mpg. it is essentially a boost leak. I have also found bad lifters on the C13 several times. Hard to see, but i always use a borescope.
     
  10. mhawk

    mhawk Bobtail Member

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    I took a good look for an exhaust look. Couldn't find anything. Wouldn't the lifters make noise all the time? It only will do it when I'm into the fuel going down the road.
     
  11. IH Branded

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    No noises but can see soot on a couple of spots on the manifold. Would you guys recommend new slip seals etc. or new ported manifold etc as long as at it. Turbo wrap worth it too ?
     
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