I did download Pub 15 and 15a from the IRS web site, still left me wondering. The guy in tax law at the IRS spent a good deal of time answering my questions and left me feeling good about the way we set up our drivers. He is the one who told me to have them sign a W9 in order to cover my hiney along with making sure the wording in our contract with the guys makes no bones about being contracted. Hopefully this only has to be done this way for a short time. Once revenue starts rolling, i can better afford to pay the government there cut. That's what it is all about anyway, right? By the way Buck and A Half, what i need is all the constructive criticsm and advice i can get. I try to just let hubby drive on and keep some of the stress off him and do my part.
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Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by jcbhappy truckin, Aug 23, 2007.
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I worked as an accountant for 21 years and dealt alot with the issues of contract employee versus actual employees. Your business will not be the first to have such problems. The W-9 is used to provide you with their ssn for 1099 purposes. There are many driver and employee forms you will need to get. I would suggest JJ Keller.
Had one of my clients call me yesterday on a similar problem. He runs an electrical business. I told him I would be back from the California run in a couple of days. -
You will be skating on thin ice with 1099's. I have done what you are wanting to do many times in the past. I also have worked under 1099's myself when driving for OO's.
I was lucky, and had no claims, though I had Workers Comp. or OCC on my contractors.
This was more common in the 70's and 80's. The problem arises when drivers have to come up with the full share of taxes by April 15th.
Suddenly they claim they did not know they were responsible for ALL the taxes, and were never told of this.
The IRS will then usually look into the supplier of said 1099. You are at the mercy of whichever agent you happen to get. Believe me, I have owned several businesses, and have delt with the IRS many times. They don't know their own rules, but what they say goes.
You can't win with these people. 1099's are a pet peeve of theirs. They look at them closely. Too many truck owners used them in the past, and the IRS lost money.
Why don't you just lease the drivers the trucks. Charge a low weekly lease rate, charge a few cents per mile for use of the truck, and give them a certain percentage of the gross. They pay the fuel, you cover the upkeep, tag, truck ins, fuel taxes, and let them get the loads through the company you are leased to.
They will have control of what loads they take or turn down, and where and how they get fuel, and what roads they perfer to run on.
They are technically now lease operators.
Call up Buel Inc. in SC. They used to do this all the time. Maybe you can snoop out some info on how to do this.
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Naturally, an accountant is more likely to tell you what they think you want to hear, and not what the Law states. Next time, set down with an IRS Agent and have them explain what is legal and what is not.
Been-There/Done-That.
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Roadkill and others,
If you talk to an accountant and he/she only tells you what you want to hear...you need to find another accountant. Make sure the person is a CPA and also who understands employer (ER) and employee (EE) status.
Good advice regarding ER/EE status has been offered here (in my professional opinion).
94nole (aka a FL CPA)
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