USX drivers...how's your day??

Thanks man

 

Best perk so far in being on the refer board. Pulled into the Kent Drop Yard to get an empty and there are five USX trucks there all hooked to the only MT dry vans available.

BUT....there were three brand new refer trailers. Our FM said "Sure"

Life is pretty good

 

100 a week is 5200 a year thats about 50% of the driver that usx has and about 25-40 will not make it to a truck. avg is 40% don't. so of the 5200 thay get a year ( at t-hill) only 3120 will get a truck of that 3120 not all of them will need trainers.. remember that ONLY NEW driver need trainers

usx has over 10,000 drivers so a 400% turn over would be 40,000 new drivers a year....!

going from my OLD log id# when i started to my NEW log id# when i went from company driver to o/o in 7 1/2 years thay have hired 69,880 drivers or 9317.33 drivers a year (AVG) thats less than a 100% turn over and that is under most trucking companies avg..

 

Not trying to dispute your numbers at all. Tunnel Hill does 2 classes a week, and I am not sure how many Orientation classes the other terminals do, but this is a lot of people. Then there are the ID numbers, only people that get hired will get a number, so how would you figure in the people that never even made it that far? It is amazing on what I have seen, felt, and delt with, with USX.

 

You take a single datapoint (100 drivers THIS week) and extrapolate it over 52 weeks. My orientation class had 19 of which only 5 needed trainers

 

FLOOD wrote:​

100 a week is 5200 a year thats about 50% of the driver that usx has and about 25-40 will not make it to a truck. avg is 40% don't. so of the 5200 thay get a year ( at t-hill) only 3120 will get a truck of that 3120 not all of them will need trainers.. remember that ONLY NEW driver need trainers​

usx has over 10,000 drivers so a 400% turn over would be 40,000 new drivers a year....!​

going from my OLD log id# when i started to my NEW log id# when i went from company driver to o/o in 7 1/2 years thay have hired 69,880 drivers or 9317.33 drivers a year (AVG) thats less than a 100% turn over and that is under most trucking companies avg..​

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These two posts offer the genesis for an interesting discussion, one perhaps not particularly best suited for this thread (apologies in advance to Musicgal), but since they were posted here I'll offer my 2 cents on the matter.​

During any discussion of attrition rates with USX, or any trucking company, we should keep in mind the distinction between the numbers involving those class A CDL drivers who are either: 1.) Invited to attend an orientation but who subsequently "washed-out" for whatever reason, i.e., failed the physical or P.T. test; failed the driving test; lied about prior history and failed the background check, etc. Or 2.) Those actually hired by USX, given a driver I.D.# but who subsequently leave for whatever reason, i.e., perceived lack of hometime; family problems; unrealistic expectations wherein the new driver is unable to reconcile the trucker lifestyle with a previous lifestyle, poor to non-existent relationship with FM, load planners and CSR's, office personnel, etc. The main point here is that one needs to realize that there is likely to be some discrepancy in the retention numbers between the two categories mentioned above, although in either case the numbers are stunning.​

When we consider that USX only invites to orientation those who already hold a valid class A CDL, it is reasonable to assume that those candidates for hire already possess some fair amount of class 8 skill, at least enough to pass a licensing exam in their home states. This fact in itself should put the retention rates for USX at a higher level than training companies like CRS, Swift, Prime, et al. Since none of us have access to the actual numbers of class A CDL holders invited to attend a USX orientation we can only conjecture as to the number.​

FLOODs very pertinent contribution of 69,880 drivers hired over a 7 1/2 yr. period (90 months) is a concrete number we can work with, as long as one assumes that USX issues driver I.D.#'s sequentially - which I think is reasonable. However, his number of 10,000 drivers, "...usx has over 10,000 drivers", is too high. Fortunately, the correct and current number as given by USX, is readily available to us on the governments FMCSA website. Using these numbers published as of 18 Nov 2011, and provided by USX as recently as 26 Oct 2011, we learn the following:

• Current # of drivers..........................................6 638
• Current # of Power Units...................................5907
• Trailers owned............................................. ...16374
• Trailers leased............................................ ......1636
• Total # of trailers.......................................... ..18010

If we further assume that all power units and drivers are operational and available at any given point in time (not likely, but I doubt the real number would affect the outcome in any meaningful way), we arrive at the following:

• # solo drivers (# of drivers - # of power units).............5176
• # teams (# of power units - # of solo drivers)...............731
• # of trlrs per pwer unit(total# of trlrs/total# pwr unts)...3.05

Current drivers may want to keep in mind that fleet number of 3 trailers per power unit the next time they go searching for an empty.






If FLOODS figure of 69,880 driver hires over a 90 month period is reasonably accurate and the numbers USX furnished to the FMCSA are also reasonably accurate, lets see what they tell us:

• USX hired an avg. of 776 class A CDL holders per month over a 90 month period. (69880/90=776.4)
• USX hired an avg. of 9317 class A CDL holders per year over a 7 1/2 yr. period. (776.4x12=9317)

What is the attrition rate of those actually hired? If USX has a current total driver population of 6638 and the seven year annual average number of new hire drivers is 9317, this by itself represents an annual turnover rate of slightly over 140%. Granted this figure is likely to be skewed somewhat because I'm comparing the current total total number of drivers against an annual average of the number of new hires over the last seven years. But even allowing for fluctuating numbers in the total driver population in any given year over the last seven, the numbers are large enough that our percentages are not likely to be wildly different.



What is the attrition rate of those invited to orientation?


The above figure of 140% only represents the attrition rate of drivers who were actually hired by USX, what about the attrition rate of the total number of drivers invited to orientation with the hope and expectation that they would actually have a job? Lets use FLOODs figure of 40% who don't make it through orientation (I think that figure is too high, but since he used it in his example, so will I):

• Annually: 9317 (hired) + 3727(40% wash-out at orientation)=13044 invited to orientation.
• Annually: 13044 invited to orientation / 6638 actually working = 197% attrition rate.

My own experience having attended two separate USX orientations (Colton and Irving) leads me to believe that the real orientation washout rate is probably closer to 20%. Using that more conservative figure the numbers look a little better:

• Annually: 9317 (hired) + 1863(20% washout at orientation)=11180 invited to orientation.
• Annually: 11180 invited to orientation / 6638 actually working = 168% attrition rate.

These numbers may not be the 400% that HD heard rumored, but for any one trying to run an efficient business they present an enormous problem if not an outright nightmare. In my own business that I started and ran for 36 yrs. (before a bout with liver cancer coupled with a stroke while on chemo, forced me to retire sooner than I planned) numbers like these would have proven fatal.


As sad as these numbers are, and in fairness to USX, I would venture a guess that these numbers are likely better than many other trucking companies are forced to deal with. Furthermore, it's my opinion that this situation is not a function of the labor force itself (unfortunately, I think many trucking company office personnel would disagree), but rather it's just endemic to the nature of the trucking industry and something that all who embark on a career as a truck driver should see with their eyes wide open.

 

Poobah - Thank you for taking the time to put together all of this information. I agree that the 400% number that I was told could be high. The week I upgraded at Tunnel Hill their were at least 150 people there for Orientation for 2 classes. That and what other people have posted is why I posted what I did.

 

good job on the numbers BUT it doesn't show ALL THE NUMBER's only company driver (w-2) and company trucks it doesn't show the LEASE drivers (1099) and LEASE trucks so my numbers are close.....

log id# are giver to each new hire driver's in order so my number of people is right

the number of 40% was from the lady doing orientation and the total she told me was only 20% make it past orientation, 40% don't show up as MUSICGAL pointed out

40% would have been 69 so again close

and my 1st orientation (company driver) only had 9 and we all made it
my 2nd orientation (o/o) had 1 and i made it

 

Y thank you musicgal