Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Don't flatter yourself. No one gives a #### about your business. What is in discussion is your conducting of business on a public road, and your actions in doing so.

Funny I think government schools is the bane of this experiment.

 

Ok, i can see where forcing EOBR would be an issue. However most companies are going to used the increased tracking features of the onboard computers for diagnostic purposes. At some point the ROI is going to be greater to switch to eLogs as well. So regardless if the lawsuit is succesful you may be using them in the future.

 

With paper logs, cops actually have to be cops and develop some sort of suspicion that something might not be right. He has to investigate.

With elogs, if "they" (yeah, I know, but there's just no other way to put it) want to know where you are, all "they" have to do is call PeopleNet or Qualcomm to get a "ping" on your truck...and locate it to within 3 yards. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that level of surveillance, especially when I have done nothing to warrant it. It is a blatant invasion of my privacy.

 

I'm gonna say for the police to find out your location they'll need to do more than call Peoplenet or Qualcomm. I'm sure that's where the OOIDA case gains it's merits. The burden of proof will need to be established, along with guidelines about how freely information can/will be exchanged. It's kind of a problem with technology in general, technology and it's varied uses grow faster than the laws that can regulate them. It's cool, cool time in the world......or at least it could be.

 

Yeah because Joe Officer in Mosquito, ar gives a rats rear end were Injun is and says yeah I'll just call all three log companies and demand her location

 

The FBI has already developed a plan to use the technology to its advantage. They want to track serial crimes that may have been committed by truck drivers by getting a list of who was in the area when a pattern crime was committed and cross reference lists to see whether any name pops up repeatedly. Right now, warrants are required to access this information. I'm cool with that.

FMCSA's goal is to bypass the warrant procedure, opening the flood gates to all sorts of guv'mint use. Didn't pay your child support? Well, let's see where you are and have the locals scoop you up. Associate with people who may be considered "undesirable" to society? Let's just see where y'all are hanging out. You want to go to WalMart and it takes you off route? Here's your ticket.

All kinds of potential abuse.

 

There is some validity to the claim. Personally I think your right to privacy being threatened by your GPS location isn't a big concern. However on a grander scale the amount of information being tossed around in social media, coupled with agencies out of control, and legislation that forces more information into a system not designed to handle it could set up for the perfect sci-fi movie.

I really think that if every truck in the America's got EOBR's the shear abundance of information would be insurmountable and you'be probably gain privacy. We're talking about an agency that can't barely run it's own website, what do you think they're going to do with hundreds of thousands upon hundreds of thousands logs, bill and supporting documents at their disposal.


My guess is they'll drown.

 

The are not going to download all those logs. They don't now and I can not envision the attempting it for your reasons.

Injun seriously do you believe they are gonna be just pouring over the data sttream trying to match names and hunting people down? Seriously anyone they are looking for is" in system" because of tax records, fuel records, etc.

Huge difference in illegally tapping a phone, placing tracking and bugging devices in a private non commercial vehicle and using advancing technology to ensure compliance in a commercial vehicle. Your expectation of privacy in a commercial vehicle is not as sacrosanct as in a private vehicle because of the regulations covering this industry. Personally I think it's a flawed stall tactic so Orida can garner more money to fight.


Next July we'll get the ruling on the evidence in the original case with being it was an illegal wire tap will be remanded for retrial, Orida will pound there pravda pages out saying" see see" and then it will go away because they are unrelated.

There is a huge Elephant in the middle of Orida's argument. We are tracked now as commercial vehicles.



All the bs aside. And I'll leave it alone after this. They track exactly what a log book does, but make lying harder. Or at least more involved. Now if they want to amend their original NPRM to require warrants be obtained prior to" instantaneous tracking" I guess. I can not forsee someone asking for it woith out them having enough to find you anyways.



I guess we'll find out next July. If I'm wrong I'll by the first round.

























Of Coffee. No one's getting my Jack for free

 

Ridiculous comparison, considering I live nowhere near Arkansas, but perhaps not too far off the mark.

It is entirely possible there is a deputy in California who would like to not only finish what he started, but add a little more to it since he ended up looking like a serious arsehat in front of two CHP officers. If this technology becomes widely available to law enforcement, what's to keep him from accessing it and then taking a little vacation time for some fishing in the NorthWest? This guy already abused his authority once. What's to keep him from doing it again?

 

Seems the other day their were a few people on here saying,,,
Follow The Money????

Now its OOIDA filing with the Supreme Court,,,

Why Dont OOIDA just Follow the Money???,AND point the finger that way,I mean according to some EXPERTS on here Im to naive to see the real culprits

Oh Never Mind I know what your gonna say

OOIDA is literally grasping at straws with this,first the case has to do with persons under suspicion of committing a felony,thus under investigation,when this terminology applies to our litttle neck in the woods(trucking) i seem to remember all on here NOT on EOBR's say they log LEGAL,so IF you do,what is the difference,your LEGAL

So why not go after PRepass/EZPass??? same could be said for them,same info can be gleaned from it(without warrant mind you)

Daily this thread goes from one extreme RANT to another looking for a reason to claim why CSA2010 is a BAD thing???
Seems all would AGREE its about safer roads,so why cant you get behind a tool to eliminate the SCRUBS that infect our roadways and threaten our very lives(not to mention our families)

An Interesting links to FACTS:http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.15

And Pay attention to this subsection:

j) Rescission of authority.
(1) The FMCSA may, after notice and opportunity to reply, order any motor carrier or driver to comply with the requirements of § 395.8 of this part.
(2) The FMCSA may issue such an order if the FMCSA has determined that—
(i) The motor carrier has been issued a conditional or unsatisfactory safety rating by the FMCSA;
(ii) The motor carrier has required or permitted a driver to establish, or the driver has established, a pattern of exceeding the hours of service limitations of this part;
(iii) The motor carrier has required or permitted a driver to fail, or the driver has failed, to accurately and completely record the driver's hours of service as required in this section; or
(iv) The motor carrier or driver has tampered with or otherwise abused the automatic on-board recording device on any commercial motor vehicle.

So