Need Professional Advice and Input - Please help a Wannabe out!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by tb4g, Jan 28, 2012.

  1. tb4g

    tb4g Bobtail Member

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    Greetings! First and foremost I would like to thank anyone who replies to this message. I appreciate your help and and information will go a long way in ensuring I am successful.

    Ok, now onto the actual grit here. I do not have my CDL, I repeat DO NOT HAVE MY CDL. I have my license, and I do not have any marks against my license. But that is all I have. I am looking into getting into the oil fields, but it seems as though the best jobs I have found seem to be the jobs where people have Class A licenses and HAZMAT endorsements. I asked several companies about the vehicles that they drive and found that a majority of the time they just need people to fit into varying positions and sometimes driving is necessary but they expressed to me that in their opinion most entry level drivers spend 10% or less of their time actually driving and the rest is labor. After inquiring more with several of the larger companies in the areas that (when I say larger companies I am specifically looking at work for multinational companies that may need my skills later in foreign countries later on) I am researching, mainly North Dakota and Texas, I have discovered through talking with their recruiters that experience is not required and to me it seems as though a majority of the reasoning behind a desire for Class A HAZMAT endorsed drivers is insurance premiums being lower than for someone without it.

    So I have done some research, and have come to the conclusion that if I want to be able to wedge myself into this money than I have to have certain things. I need a CDL Class A and several endorsements the most important being HAZMAT. From what Ihave read online, I can pass the federal checks for HAZMAT and I can pass the physical from the DOT. For the written test I have found software, books, and the most important CDL Manual at the DMV. I assume I can study for the written test without much difficulty as repetition and memorization can carry me there. The questions and the area I feel weakest I suppose would be in the area of the skills test, where I may be able to do enough research to succeed in the various checks and methods/procedures to ensure a safe vehicle is being used I am not so sure I can actually drive one without the experience of actually being behind the wheel of one before that point. I have experience with manual transmissions, and I am technically apt enough to understand components to the vehicle and what purpose they server.

    Can I avoid the costs of paying for some obviously scammish college education and get my CDL + endorsements without having to fork over a ridiculously large sum of money for something that seems fairly simple to learn over the course of several days?

    I understand that obviously the colleges and the ....psuedo..... colleges have their place, and they wouldn't be around if they didn't serve a purpose. However I am fairly well educated, a quick learner, and a driven person who desires to get to work as fast as possible in these fields before this money dries up or is regulated away. So can it be done? Can I get my CDL + endorsements through research, memorization, and maybe a day or so in interning with someone who has a truck? I know people who are CDL holders that drive trucks, and they have expressed interest in allowing me to learn from them, but I want to know if that would be enough coupled with my self taught training to pass the tests?

    TL;DR: (Too long? Didn't Read?) - Hey, I'm a wannabe truck driver/oil field worker. I've talked to companies who have said that if I have a Class A CDL and HAZMAT endorsement I can get a job no problem assuming I'm there to work! Is it possible to teach myself everything assuming I'm a good learner and get an opportunity to drive a truck with a friend? Do I need to pay for a drawn out college course or can I learn it myself with enough hard work? What's the fastest way to get your CDL and not be a danger on the road? Can I pass the skills test with basic knowledge of mechanics, physics, and minimal time in a truck before?


    Thank you for your help!
     
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  3. Urban_Hillbilly81

    Urban_Hillbilly81 Light Load Member

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    Ill put my 2cents in go to a community college program and get you cdl. way cheaper than a roadmaster type school and longer. The one i went to was 8 weeks long and cost me around 2300 dollars. As far as you learning this industry over a few day period it aint gunna happen!

    I had the same line of thinking as you going into school and lemme tell ya i was shocked to say the least. Then i screwed up took a local hazmat tanker job instead of going otr. At this "local" job i worked 14 hours a day 5 days a week and only brought home 400-450 a week after uncle sam took his cut.... trucking aint peaches and cream by any means

    I have had my class a cdl a year now and it has not been a easy road.
     
  4. NYROADIE

    NYROADIE Heavy Load Member

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    It's possible but unlikely, your much better off going to a school (PTDI certified). You will need a truck and trl to practice with and then for the test, your friend had better be a close one!l
     
  5. tb4g

    tb4g Bobtail Member

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    I'm sorry, but even at minimum wage " 14 hours a day 5 days a week and only brought home 400-450 a week" is incorrect unless your being garnished for something or being held accountable for child support. That's 30 hours of overtime my friend and 40 regular hours.

    7.25*40=290.00
    7.25*1.5*30=326.25
    total before tax income at minimum wage (btw, if you took a job at minimum wage driving a hazmat tanker I am sorry but you are an idiot...) = 616.25
    lets just put you at the top tax bracket of 33% = 406.73 take home a week.

    406.73*4(weeks)*12(months)= 19,523.04 after tax pay based on highest possible tax obligation a year at your current job.

    If you went to college, got your cdl for 2300 dollars (btw that 5.5 weeks at your 70 a week schedule and pay just to pay that off) and make less than a person in Santa Fe NM does for flipping burgers for two places for 70 hours a week NO overtime

    Santa Fe NM Burger Flipper) 10.29*70=720.3*4(weeks in a month btw that's 2881.20 a month before tax)*12(months)=34574.40 a year.
    Lets have them pay the same rate of tax you apparently do and the yearly total is
    22819.10 dollars a year after taxes for flipping burgers and working just as many hours as you do for multiple companies without getting overtime pay.

    I hope you switch career paths because I'm 27 with an AA degree and I've never made in my entire working life less that 24 thousand a year after taxes (this includes the times a worked before I got my AA) so you are either full of crap or absolutely one of the dumbest working american's I have ever met. I'm sorry but I am leaning towards option 2 so if I was you I'd move to santa fe and flip burgers for a couple places and move up in the world.

    Let me clarify my questions if possible. Can an educated person be better off, assuming the expectations of the employer are low and not concerned with experience, studying and minimizing personal financial expenditure towards the acquisition of a Class A CDL + endorsements given that he has a persons vehicle to perhaps perform a rudimentary skills test in. Is it possible that it is better or more efficient to pursue this course as opposed to paying for a course at a college or school to learn many of the same things one can learn from manuals readily available to the public?
     
  6. tb4g

    tb4g Bobtail Member

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    I can rent the type of vehicle to take the test in for 150 dollars insured but I don't have as much knowledge about this PTDI certified endorsement. Given that the expectations of my potential employer do not require experience just the license itself plus endorsement is that PTDI certified education necessary?
     
  7. rogueunh

    rogueunh Road Train Member

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    Yes it's possible. If you have a job lined up and they don't care about having experience, then go for it.

    This is how I got my CDL A. First I read the book, basically memorized it. I then went and took the written tests, passed all and all endorsements I needed. They scheduled my road test out about 2 weeks. In those 2 weeks, I practiced driving all I could, backing around obstacles, etc. I then went took the road test, and walked away with my CDL A.

    Obviously, you need to have access to a truck to use if you go this route.
     
  8. slowcoach40

    slowcoach40 Bobtail Member

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    Go to Baker Hughes and Halliburton's, and whatever other web sites you can think of. You can go on thier site and view the job opens and apply for jobs online. Some of the bigger companies may hire you and then send you to get your CDL.
     
  9. Urban_Hillbilly81

    Urban_Hillbilly81 Light Load Member

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    Well My point has been proven. You dont make overtime in the trucking industry unless you are paid hourly. Sadly i was not paid by the hour. I did not stay at that job trust me on that. I was told that the company pays a percentage of the load that percentage came out to about 51.00 dollars a load did 2 loads a day.
    So dont come at me with all that jazz of I'm an idiot I don't have a college degree nor do i care about having one. Ive met people with degrees that couldn't tie their own shoes.

    As far as your question sure you can go get your cdl w/o going thru a school but most companies wont want to work with you. So why would someone with an all mighty college degree want to go into the trucking industry anyway? Guess that degree is not paying off for you?
     
  10. tb4g

    tb4g Bobtail Member

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    Obviously you failed to read my entire message, either the first part or the broken down TL;DR: portion. You neither answered my question or were informative, given what you expressed in your post I felt that you saying "As far as you learning this industry over a few day period it aint gunna happen!" was inflammatory and effectively attempted to undermine my intelligence. I am looking for information about the likely-hood of being able to pass a skills test with minimal personal time or money expenditure. Can this be done? Can a person who is intelligent enough to pick it up quick, be able to pass a skills test or are the requirements above and beyond that introductory level to an extreme that is not achievable?

    As for my AA, I got that on uncle sam's dollar after exiting the USARNG in an attempt to set myself up for teaching people how to read and write english in high school. An AA is not an ALL MIGHTY COLLEGE DEGREE and to let you know the risk/reward time/money earned right now for certain positions in the field of trucking are far more lucrative than many other jobs at the moment if you have the knowledge and the drive to pursue them. It's all about the money.
     
  11. Urban_Hillbilly81

    Urban_Hillbilly81 Light Load Member

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    I was in no way trying to undermine your intelligence. just simply stating what I thought. As far as you being able to pass the road skills test. I'm sure you could just takes some actual practice with a truck and trailer. Sorry you took my post wrong and sorry if I took yours wrong.
     
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