How Many Schools Make You Falsify Logs?

Proposed Rule - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Some, perhaps many, states require CDL schools to adhere to the above training guidelines. Rather extensive. The schools are most likely audited on a regular basis, especially if they also third party test. The OP is telling us how at least one school meets their curriculum hour requirements on paper, while happily taking federal and state funds and ripping off the taxpayer and the student. Sad.

 

here we go again

 

Not all schools.

 

Well, no.. they aren't. Schools are not required to keep logs. They are used as a training aid for students. Schools are not Motor Carriers. They do not have an authority, they don't work under anyone else's authority. They have no DOT numbers. If you aren't a Motor Carrier, then the Federal Motor Carrier Rules don't apply on issues that are strictly for Motor Carriers. (And even if they did, the earlier opinion that the student wouldn't fall under hours-of-service-rules is also correct.)

As far as being used to short-change a student out of deserved hours, that's another story. If you feel that you are not getting the hours that you deserve then you absolutely should talk to the head of the school, or if that fails, the Department of Education in the State that issues the license to the school.

Don't try to make it a Federal Issue (literally) because it just isn't. It might be wrong, but it violates no Motor Carrier Regulations.

Chris

 

Are you going to the Swift school in Millington , TN by chance?

 

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You are correct .the students don't leave the state and FMCSA has no authority over the school. However it may be a federal issue if students pay for the school with Federal funding.

 

That may be true but aren't schools supposed to log so many hour behind the wheel? When I was in school they used our log books as verification that we actually had 300 hours of training. And yes some of it was fudged.

 

We were in school in TN and drove to AR to do our driving. So we did leave the state and we were governed by the FMCSA. It depends on which school you go to. Even if the OP didn't leave the state, these schools have to fall under FMCSA or else, who keeps tabs on them? I think that is worth looking into.

 

There is some good info here about the FMCSA and truck driver training. It looks to me like they do oversee the training and mandate a certain amount of hours. I didn't read the entire register though.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/rulemakings/04-11475entrylevel.pdf

 

yeah it's pretty common knowledge,i never ran a log,never had a problem.im pretty sure the companies i worked for would have made it a point if it was the case.but i guess they knew how to read too so it was'nt a problem.pre and post is common,but not having to run logs.

those darn trucker bars,did'nt you know the biggest companies get there info from trucker bars?