Glider ideas

Antrim's was last I heard. I don't know what they are doing about it but will check around. I know who the one guy is who had one built and see him once in a while at the fuel stop.

Let me see if I can find something out.

But if you want to know who you are really dealing with? Call them up and tell them you are wanting to build another maker glider and see what happens!

 

Hoover takes the wiring problems to Allstate Pete in New Philadephia,Oh. Mechanics name is John,very,very good. He works on my truck. If you want any paint work done they have an excellent Body Shop. Kevin runs the body shop.

 

i'm just trying to further understand the game here:

1) Just for theoretical sake, if you bought a brand new 2012 truck and took the engine out and put a pre-emissions 3406 mechanical cat engine in then is this legal?

a) If illegal, then who will check/how can this be checked?


2) How are gliders registered? For example, you buy a 2012 pete 389 glider?

 

1 yes its legal as emissions are based on the year of the of the engine, hence the availability of gliders without dpf and def systems in the first place.


2 That depends on the state

 

Interesting article....

http://http://www.fleetequipmentmag.com/Item/95680/glider_kits_are_back.aspx

Anyone have any experience with Coronado's bought thru Fitzgeralds?

 

1) Technically, NO. The chassis VIN would show it was a regular production truck and not a glider. True, the emissions are tied to the year of the engine. The issue is who is building the truck. A glider is ordered thru parts. A regular production truck is ordered thru regular sales and is fully assembled by the OEM. The nuances in the regulations is the issue here. A final assembly of the glider is not done by the OEM, but is technically only a parts assembly that an end user or shop is doing the final assembly. And, a new production truck must be made of totally new components, hence the emissions laden engines. A glider, by its very nature, is a mix of new and used components, so it doesn't fall in the same category.

2) Really, probably no one except some states like CA or NJ that seem to worry about engine emissions. LEO's around the country have enough technical issues to worry about on a truck (brakes, tires, lights, etc) and most could not show you where the EGR valve is on a particular engine and whether it even has one or not. Emissions is just not the primary focus of roadside checks and such in the majority of states.

No one, unless they love to blow tons of money, would even go this route anyway. For one, if you bought a new production truck, you would be spending upwards of an extra $20,000 for the emissions control junk. Next, you would also have the Federal Excise Tax on new equipment. And, you would have the labor and parts cost associated with the engine swap. You would probably have to have a custom wiring harness built so that whatever engine you put in would be able to communicate with the chassis. And then there is no real surety that they will play with each other nicely. And there is probably no one that would want to buy the engine you just pulled out. Whereas a new glider truck, fully loaded and assembled, ready to work, would cost, ballpark, $100K - $115K, doing what yo suggest would probably get close to $200K in the end.

 

Used to be that the older glider trucks had a G in the serial number as a marker, I'm not sure if that's still the case though. I imagine I would be that way if a truck is sold there is an identifier that will make the buyer know that this truck is different besides obvious reasons.

 

There is no indicator in Freightliner VIN numbers to tell if its a glider, they did away with that back before 1993.