Refusing illegal loads

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by fatboy07, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. okiedokie

    okiedokie Road Train Member

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    What we have here is a lack of experience gashauler. As you and I both know there is no circumstances/exclusions that allow for overloaded trucks. Keep playing with fire and you will get burned. Car hits you in illegal truck and people die. Guess who will be left holding the bag. The guy behind the wheel. Unless YOU have alot of $ too. Those that talked you into this deal will leave you high and dry.
     
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  3. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Actually you are the one who needs schooling and you didn't read his post explaining the permit and exemptions. Lots of states have legal exemptions allowing for extra gvw over 80K on certain commodities and for agriculture. We were legally hauling 84K loads from the fields to the elevator this past fall in Illinois. It's a $25 permit you buy once a year. Intrastate only.
     
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  4. dirtyjerz

    dirtyjerz glowing beard pouty kid

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    Now i have not yet dealt with permits or od loads. However my advice, in its simplest form, would be if you dont feel safe, or you know that what you would be hauling is out right illegal, dont haul it. Someone will come along to do it. Let them take the risk.
     
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  5. DMH

    DMH Medium Load Member

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    You need to reread because a axle is a axle. The permits I run say I cant be over but not everything works the same.
     
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  6. Thatguyfromtexas

    Thatguyfromtexas Bobtail Member

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    I've worked for companies in the past that had me running OS/OW loads either without permits, or with the wrong permits.

    Ultimately, it came down to this: Whoevers name is on the truck and signing my check gets to make the rules about how that company is run--Not me.

    MY choice is whether I choose to participate in how they are running it.

    I personally chose not to participate in their insanity.

    End result: I now own my truck and I am responsible for making sure all loads are run up to MY standards. (i.e. Permits, addendums, escorts, etc.)

    Remember: No whining, Be accountable, be courteous, be Honest!
     
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  7. Jfaulk99

    Jfaulk99 Road Train Member

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    In Ohio you don't have to correct anything. If you under 2000# you take your small ticket and go on your way.

    I understand this is strictly Ohio, the point of my posts are to show just because a driver thinks something is illegal doesn't mean it is, details make a difference! I had a driver who thought he was overloaded because his load was 50k. Nevermind his truck was 29k empty. I'd bet most steering wheel holder don't know a spread is legal to 40k.

    Wouldn't it just be easier to quit rather than worry all the time or be the company cry baby?
     
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  8. sedain

    sedain Medium Load Member

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    its also hard to prove,they arent telling you that theyre withholding loads,you just arent getting loads and you dont have access to info on load availability.

    but i agree that it happens alot, and companies should be punished, i just dont see how.
     
  9. Krooser

    Krooser Road Train Member

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    Many states allow 700 lbs. per inch of tire width on the steer axle with a maximum of 20K. That's why you see many loggers/heavy haulers/dump truck operators with 425/80 front tires.

    So if you steer tires are 10" wide you can have 15,400# on the front axle...

    I have a set of 9" wide wheels I want to mount 315/80R 22.5's on which are about 10" wide. That will give me more latitude when I use a 90k permit during the veggie harvest... not that I ever purposely cross a scale (I don't).
     
  10. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    Very true.
     
  11. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    That's not right in the states I've been in. If your axle is only rated for 12,000lbs then that's it on the steer. I've also never seen them go by how wide the tire is. They will look at the rated weight the tire can hold and go by that. Those trucks you see with the wider tire on the steer also have the 20,000lbs rated steer axle. The inspectors that checked me looked at the rated tag on the drivers door then checked the tire ratings.
     
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