If you DO NOT own the vehicle and have NO Financial stake in it's ability to make a profit, you are an EMPLOYEE.
Even IF you own the vehicle and held a financial stake in assuring it was profitable, if you did not have the ability to make the decisions of "where, when or how" to work you still might be classified as an employee.
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employee vrs. independent contractor
Discussion in 'Trucking Jobs' started by chief, Mar 31, 2009.
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Are you saying the majority of expediters are wrong ? If they were IRS would have nailed them long ago . You do not have to own a truck to control its profitability .
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Not exactly true. If you are directed by the company WHERE (to pick-up) WHEN (to pick it up) and HOW, you still may be considered an employee. Simply having the ability to turn down a load doesn't negate this. In order to be a TRUE contractor, you would have to be offered your choice of loads to different destinations.
We went thru this when we owned a truck. The ONLY company we leased to that was classified as an EMPLOYER was MS Carriers (before Swift ate them up)trucker43 Thanks this. -
Yes, they are wrong. IRS "nailing" them is meaningless until they are audited.
You MUST have a stake in the profitability of a business to be a Contractor. DRIVERS do not. To simply force the drivers to pay for their own fuel and allow them to keep "the change" and call them "contractors" is not only a scam (that seldom profits the driver and only profits the OWNER), but it is illegal.trucker43 Thanks this. -
The way I understand it this is how FedEx Ground got around it . They only allow multiple route contracts . The owners of those contracts are restricted to one particular route they have their choice of routes . I'm sure their attorneys worked hard finding a way around the employee requirement .
Drivers for FedEx Custom Critical fleet owners do have the right to pick and choose their loads . They average about a 75% acceptance rate .trucker43 Thanks this. -
They would be employees and not contractors under those terms.
We went thru this.
We had friends who had several trucks leased with a Michigan Regional Carrier (Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin) HE and all his drivers were EMPLOYEES of the Lessor, and were paid BY the Lessor.
Hired HIS TRUCKING CPA for advice before we even bought our truck.
WE had to sign a waiver in Michigan certifying we were CONTRACTORS and NOT "employees" to exempt our Lessor from liability to Federal and State Withholding, State Workers Compensation Insurance and Michigan Unemployment Compensation Insurance.
This actually has been discussed ad nauseam in this forum several times.
If you do not hold an interest in the profitability in the business; if you do not own the tools or equipment, if you are instructed where, when or how to perform your job (even IF you own the tools/equipment), the IRS considers you an employee.
It isn't good enough to "lease" the truck and make the lessee responsible for the fuel or upkeep either. If he has enough, he just walks away....and LOSES no interest in the profitability of the business.trucker43 Thanks this. -
the O/O would not be an employee, but his mate would be. but that's an unlikely scenario. most O/O trucking companies won't let the drivers have driving partners unless the partner has a working relationship with that company. (my brother is an O/O pullling for an all O/O company, but I would NOT be able to team with him.) but that's not what we're talking about. and I'm not an O/O anyway.
but as it's been mentioned, yeh, 30 CPM is a bit of an insult. I haven't heard from them again. last we talked, they were still getting all the stuff ready to go. they're going to lease a truck, trailer and get all the equipment for it to try to start a flatbed division. I DON'T plan on calling THEM. I hate to turn down work after being unemployed for 6 months, but I might as well put on some rouge and a halter top, and some thigh high boots and go stand on a street corner rather than work for these guys. -
OK. so now I'm up to employee status (W2,) $25 tarp pay, and $.32/mile. mmmmmmmmm, I'm still thinking about it. I don't think they have anyone interested in the gig. but I'm still thinking the milage pay is about 6-7 cents low. I should speak with them again tomorrow.
been unemployed for 6 months now - NOT hurting for money, but about bored out of my mind. should I prostitute myself out for low mileage pay, or just wait until things get better and look for something else? I hate to volunteer for such low pay - our wages have been depressed enough as it it, but I hate to turn down a job offer as well - the phone hasn't exactly been ringing much lately.
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Talk to a CPA. There are very specific guidances from the IRS as to whether there is an employer vs employee/contractor relationship. It is very complicated. If you try to use common sense, you will probably only mess yourself up. If you would like to get a feel as to the complicated nature of this discussion, follow this link (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/emporind.pdf). It is important to understand that this isn't tax authority. It is guidance provided to IRS agents to help them determine the relationship status as employee or independent contractor. It is NOT authority on tax matters. Again...consult a CPA.
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