Stay away from cr england!!!!

Yeah, and I see one of the TTR riffraff is still around as well.

You haven't gotten banned, yet?...... Amazing.

Tell me the point of your post because I would love to hear it.

What does it have to with this conversation?

 

I've heard so much bad about this place like new recruits having to train themselves in the 18 wheelers, only 1 meal provided daily for newbies, share a room with 2 dudes and no tv, lamps, or open window in the room.

Also heard they screw u if you don't lease by trying to get rid of you for any reason and they try to force you to team if you don't lease and "starve you out" on miles.

 

Do all the schools want the money up front these days? When I went thru C1 school in Indy back in '96, it was financed and the company I went with paid 2/3rds of the cost.

 

Researching Big truck truckin' companies is more than excellent advice JohnBoy, --- it's imperative.
Doesn't anyone wonder what the cheerleaders did wrong?
Rumor has it that those who appear, or claim to be, successful participants in C.R.E.'s lease/flease adventure sold their soul to that dude down under, and promised to deceive others through smoke-N-mirrors, bait-N-switch, and other such techniques, --- then blame the newBee for bein' stupid enough to actually believe all the bovine excrement they've spread.

Their contracts and their customers are only interested in relocating their freight and how much that will cost 'em.
How the Sons-0-Chester manage to git-er-dun is irrelevant to the shippers and receivers.

That's true.
And C.R.E. is still doin' business.
What does that tell y'all?

It's said that "Money is the root of all evil". In this case it's all about how little money companies spend to ship their product. By undercuttin' the competition's shippin' rates, C.R.E. keeps their customers satisfied. Kinda like Red China in that regard.

It's hard to imagine that the instructors at various driving schools aren't aware of the less than stellar reputation of C.R.E., and others, yet they say nothing, --- knowing full well what their graduates can expect. I wonder how they sleep at night?

The biggest complaint seems to be that it's the company's profits that are actually increasing along with the complaints.
Generally speaking, it's the squeekin' wheel that gets the grease. But not in the Big truck truckin' industry.
In the Big truck truckin' industry, the squeekin' wheel gets
replaced.

C.R.E. "company leaders" read these threads, but if they post at all they don't identify themselves as such. However, from time to time there are those who tell us they are with C.R.E. and claim they don't see any of the negative stuff that thousands of former employees of the Sons-0-Chester describe here and elsewhere in detail.

When you mention "a great deal of success at these companies", which definition of "success" are you referencing and who's success?

The Sons-0-Chester probably already knew that you had money in reserve to pay the bills at home and that you weren't flat broke like many who applied for the job, --- more out of desperation rather than any real desire to be Big truck truck drivers.

Facts are facts.
And the fact that much of the complaining is coming from wannaBees and newBees who have no consept of what the Big truck truckin' industry is all about and, therefor, incapable of makin' up the things they tell us. That fact leads me to believe their stories over someone who could be a member of the Sons-0-Chester's elite Damage Control Gang, who attempt to defuse the stories by discrediting those who are tryin' to warn others.
Either they're fibbing, or it's the most complex and long runnin' conspiracy I've ever heard of, --- and begs an answer as to why such a conspiracy was ever concocted in the first place.

In other words, that "one guy" was bigger than you?
Did you determine whether what you heard was a fact or a fabrication? Or just assume it was (another) made-up story? Do you ever attempt to find out if all, or any, of those stories are factual? Or just laugh?
Do you even want to know the facts?

Good question Corneileous. I'd also be curious as to why and how they come up with this stuff if it isn't true.

Sounds like something from the Sons-0-Chester's Big book of Big truck truckin' business practical application handbook. By followin' the examples contained within said Big book, you, the lessee will not become a "rich man", --- but the Sons-0-Chester make bank.

Burger King is a good example. The Sons-0-Chester don't make whoppers, they just tell 'em.

I gotta say, you have a strange sense of humor. It's funny how one can find humor in the misery of others. What I find most hilarious is that even those who consider themselves successful at C.R.E. are bein' had, and don't seem able to admit it.

What a deal!
The Sons-0-Chester are so thorough that they've washed your brain.

"That truck" doesn't earn income when it sits in repair shops, it just eats up any home-time possibilities. C.R.E. leases too many lemons and puts an unfair burden on a new and inexperienced small businessman which, too often, spells failure for them, --- but not for the Sons-0-Chester. They emerge unscathed, profiteers of the failure of others.
I bet they laugh all the way to the bank.

Nope!
Think of it as a rental.
And, just like when y'all lease a car, the mileage allowed durin' the lease period is set, and if the lessee drives more miles than the contract allows, a charge for each mile over the limit is levied.
Keep those wheels a-turnin' driver. Don't turn down any loads, --- even if it's costin' the lessee 15 or 20 cents a mile, --- subtracted from mileage pay.
Is that any way to run a business?
It is for the Sons-0-Chester.

 

It doesn't seem to be "perfectly clear" to you.

I believe that's considered to be unethical.
False advertizing.
Lies.
Take your pick.

In other words, C.R.E. can't be trusted to tell the truth?

So simple, even a caveman could understand.
Why can't you?

As has already been explained, it's not that the newBees expect to become wealthy, --- they're just tryin' to pay the bills. All they expect to hear is the truth, and that's all that should be presented. To do otherwise is to take advantage of a newBee's inexperience and lack of knowledge about the industry.
In my book, that's dishonest, --- a hoax perpetrated upon the innocent newBees who only ask for a fair shake.
And, IMO, anyone who assists the Sons-0-Chester are accessories after the fact, and just as guilty of fraud.

That is complete, unadulterated, bovine excrement.
Are you listening to yourself?

ThanX to you my dear Corneileous, that's exactly what they're/we're doin'. Are you sure that's what you want?

There's an "extreme potential" that one could make more as a lease operator than a company driver?
Hmmmmmmmmm -----

ALL they have to do is "work harder"?
Instead of workin' SMARTER?
No margin for error 'cause if one "slacks", it's "easier to go in the hole"?
Here's a thought, --- why not present the percentages of those who succeed compared to those who don't, right up front? Let newBees consider the statistics before making an informed decision rather than base their decision(s) on fabrications, half-truths, and outright lies?

Perhaps if the C.R.E. trainers remained awake while they use a newBee for an extra log book they might get around to mentioning that. Then again, I doubt that would go over real well with the powers that be C.R.E. They prefer that the trainers show 'em their own books, cooked.
That might be why the newBee is "dumb enough"
Ya reckon.

The Sons-0-Chester's motto must be,
Let 'em find out the hard way. (chuckle, chuckle, chuckle)

You're correct, it shouldn't be hard to figure out on their own. It's my contention that their inability is directly related to the lack of information provided, and the information that is provided is purposely inaccurate and/or incorrect, which seems to benefit those Sons-0-Chester. Either way they profit. For all we know, C.R.E. profits more from those who fail. If it hurt their bottom line profits, or if they had a more compassionate heart, y'all can bet that failure rate would be lower, if not eliminated entirely. That it continues unabated, along with the same repetitive problems brought to our attention here at TTR, year after year, and considering how many others there may be out thar who don't post here who have had the same treatment, --- along with C.R.E. taking taxpayer bucks from Uncle Sam to put people back to work ---
Ahhhh, ....... but I digress.
My bad.

The Cliff Notes are, ...... if it weren't part of their business plan, it wouldn't be happinin'. They've discovered a formula that works for them. How that method affects others isn't as important to the bean-counters as keepin' the doors open for business, through good times and bad, --- through sickness and in health, as long as deemed necessary to make enough money to buy a Rolex or an expensive painting of a rock.
Say I Do.
Forget the Rolls Royce though.
Too obvious.

How would one know what they'll receive before the fact? Maybe they're aware of what they should be paid, but from what I've been readin', that can fluctuate quite a bit, ........ usually in C.R.E.'s favor.

That is utterly preposterous.
Obviously you've been listenin' only to yourself.
What you're askin' now has already been explained many times. How many times do you have to read it 'till it sinks in?

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, ergo the attempts to warn and make aware ANYbody who is considering C.R.E. as a result of what they've been told by folks such as yourself. Think of us a balance.

You opine that all the stories of inappropriate treatment as bein' made-up, exaggerated fabrications, and without merit, --- submitted by disgruntled people with poor work ethics. And you readily point out that they provide no proof.
Of course, you have no proof that your claims are accurate, and base your assumptions on the "fact"? that you, personally, haven't witnessed any such thing(s). So it seems y'all have something in common. Well, ...... besides you don't believe them and I/we/they don't believe you.
Sort of a stalemate situation.

Are you readin' betwixt the lines?

(For the record folks, this didn't happen to me.)

Would being "responsible" include warning others about what lies beyond C.R.E.'s revolving doors?
Would making slight of the many complaints be considered "responsible"?

This is a never-ending story.

Exactly what is your agenda, Corneileous? :smt102:smt017:smt102:smt017:smt102

 

No, I did not get my info from a recruiter. I actually lived it.

I hate to tell you, but screwing a driver on the way out is perfectly in line with CRE procedure. They have no respect for the drivers they train and hire. They're assets, just like the trucks and in most circumstances less valuable. In my time with CRE, both my trainers and all but one of the students from my class quit.

I do not understand how you can read the volumes of complaints here and still believe they all have no merit. I never expected to get rich, but I would love to know how someone can gross 4,900.00 and take home 18 dollars. Most weeks my student made more than I did and that's not counting the weeks I would receive random charges for trailer damage on a trailer I hadn't hauled (this happened 3 times in a month and a half) or would be left sitting for 3 days waiting to deliver an early load I had informed my DM would be early when I picked it up.

I was a newbee, I made mistakes, but I worked hard for CRE and in return I was used and abused. Im glad you have not experienced any of this, but don't use that as a rationale to diminish the experiences of others. We all get it, you think CRE isn't getting a fair shake. Now that you've made your point, just let all of us disgruntled liars b**** in peace.

 

Call Millis before you sign anything. They will train you until you are ready, and wont try to sell you a truck, they will expect you to work for them for a pre determined amount of time (1 year I think but dont quote me on that) to repay your tuition.

 

I know that story, it happened to me back in 2001. Lesson learn! Take care bro.

 

Try Con-Way, their Crowder school is $3,200 and they pay half of it once you pull your first load on your own. You would have to travel to Missourahh and stay at the college for five weeks though. Dorms and food are like $500, what hurts the most is the five weeks without making any money. But teaming in this company is definitely worth it. It would be a good start.

 

Don't you mean "read" it ...

And no, I don't think you would "love to " - or could understand anything other than your own company propaganda.

Over 1000 posts and 999 of them calling every negative CRE post a lie or fabrication?

Yes riff-raff is spot on ...