Prime CSA scores vs. JB hunt.. am I seeing this right?

It hasn't shown up in the crash statistics - and improvements in individual BASIC scores don't correlate to what's happening on the road.

However, its nice to hear that the BFI you drive for is cleaning up its act!

 

I see...you're grouping the overall stats yes? Like Prime vs JB correct?

My point was that CSA is working as my guy is pouring money into equipment repairs and cleaning out the bad actors. This effort has lowered his score a little. But I also believe he will stop the minute he doesn't feel threatened.

What he hasn't learned is how far he has to go. He still picks at the edges of the problem ( like moping a floor with a sponge ) instead of addressing it. He's so afraid that he'll have to tell a customer "no" and until he learns that is ok he will continue to just "pick" at the problem . Years of boot legging have spoiled both mgmt and driver alike.

Time will tell I have no doubt.....

 

My only question is why are you investing your time and efforts into such a company? Keeping your eggs in that basket is certainly going to threaten your eggs.

 

That's the FMCSA that does that. I believe they consider all carriers with more than 1000 tractors to be "large." That groups the mega-carriers with some outfits that are vastly smaller.

That was the whole idea. Our deal was dealing with the sloppy paperwork for the most part. Our safety department always has been very strict about moving violations, accidents, driving under the influence - so that wasn't a problem. The form and manner write ups, finding the med card, etc (like that is going to affect "safety") was a problem, as was getting drivers to take the time to get equipment fixed on the road. Lots of very good drivers with a lot of warnings...

Started hearing the words "CSA2010" in early 2009... they got us talking about it early on.

 

Did I hear right tonight? OOIDA is battling ATA in a suit against FMCSA to force all fleets to abandon EOBRs. Even mentioned Prime as one of the carriers with L/Os and Co. drivers complaining of harassment over the QC.

 

I personally don't mind the QC, because I am going to attempt to follow the rules. Prime does not really get intrusive with you anyway, unless they have repeated data that points to unsave driving, such as multiple lane drift notices, hard brakes, roll conditions and such. I can understand why small companies and Independent o/o's object, but what got them to stop was the harassment argument. Until FMCSA can prove that EOBR's will not be used to harass the drivers, the 7th Federal Court of Appeals has ruled that the mandate is unlawful. FMCSA and ATA are pushing forward to still make EOBR's mandatory, but are withdrawing their requrement for short haul and daily companies that use time cards and systems like it. I guess until you have an anal probe for each driver, FMCSA will not be satisfied.

I see where IP is talking about size. Yes, grouping all large carriers in the 1000+ category is not fair to the 5000 size companies that have to be compared to the 20000 truck companies.........

 

OOIDA does a lot of good in many cases, OTOH, when they group Prime with the kind of BS that CRE and Swift (now) is pulling, that's a crock.

Outside of the occasional idiot night or weekend guy that hasn't caught on, there isn't any harrassment at Prime - unless you're a total looser.

OOIDA wants all EOBR/elog installations banned - and they believe that their recent court victory is that sort of sweeping thing. The FMCSA believes it is more targeted, just affecting the bad actor rule. The latter is probably correct.

 

IP, would you be more concerned when FMCSA requires carriers to provide direct feeds to their offices for direct oversight?

 

Right. The point I took from the brief news spot was that OOIDA has numerous complaints from ATA member carrier drivers of which Prime was mentioned.
That could go a long way toward convincing a judge that they (EOBRs) are indeed used for this purpose.

I really would hate to see them go, though I doubt OOIDA will be successful. I hated the short time I spent on paper logs.

 

You subscribe to "Big Brother-ism" eh?