The main thing I was wanting to know in this thread is, what's the sweet spot for this 515. I think that's been answered. And i thank you guys. I'm always open to any advice i can use too. Slowing down, just doesn't make sense, in my current situation.
515 detroit, fuel ecconomy/ turbo questions
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by bigfish, Mar 8, 2012.
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If you can't log it, why drive it?
I hear what you are saying about getting there as quick as you can. Used to be that way myself. But with the price of fuel hiking, managing you fuel cost over a year is critical.
It is literally your biggest overhead expense.
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Something else to consider.
Speed limit is 65, you are running 70. Accident happens. You are involved. Accident reconstruction gives you a speed range of 64-69. There is "reasonable doubt" that speed was an issue.
The reconstruction officer pulls the computer data on your engine. It shows you were doing 69. You just got hung for speeding and likely the accident.
All these whizbang gadgets have a benefit and they have a cautious side. My experience with truck accidents is that lots of times, it's either a driver being REALLY reckless in his driving habits or it's a car that's being stupid around a truck.
You can control one risk, you can't control the other.
At today's fuel prices. $3.999. I get fuel prices emailed to me by a local company daily it seems when ever the price changes. 4000 miles per week.
Fuel cost will be $21,401.45 annually if you stay at say 5.5 mpg instead of getting it to 6.5 mpg. Just a touch under $1800 per month.
Where is that happy medium? I don't know. Just real numbers to think about. Getting back into the truck last fall, scared the hell out of me. It was bad enough having to deal with cars on the road 15-20 years ago. Now I have to deal with cars and idiot drivers who have their head in a cell phone texting? How do you protect yourself against all of that?Last edited: Mar 9, 2012
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Re logging/ driving it, the new fmcsa rules re oos violations (unfortunately) has made speed all the more essential, imo. Until recently, my largest expense was arguably maintenance/repair on my former pos truck. Between 1000 per week in repairs, and the added down time, I had to run like h*ll when ever I had the chance! This is why I sold that truck to a salvage yard... Getting back to logging. I do 100% broker freight. The upshot is, I'm not stuck with any single company, the downside is, I don't have big company backing re fuel, repairs.. ect.. Idk how many other totally independents there are on here, but its tough sometimes. Some loads pay pretty good, some don't. I have to take what i can get, when I can get it in order to maintain a good average. If that means fudging my logs a little, its what i have to do. The main reason, however that I pencil stroke, (I've heard it called managing fatigue) is so that i can run the hours best suited to me persoanally. A person "can" legally log 1000 miles in 24 hours, speed limits depending. But as we all know, 11on,10 off quickly becomes Ho to bed at noon, and go to work at 2200... I am a zombie by midnight. I almost always naturally wake up about 0400. I like to run all my miles at once, and get it over with. Then sleep thru the night, getting good rest, and get up and do it all over again. It's just what works for me. Even tho, I may technically be coloring outside the lines, I believe I am helping the purpose of the hours of service ###### which is to keep fatigued drivers off the road. It's not a one size fits all world, despite what the government might think. However, now, with this newer truck, I expect my maintenance costs to be considerably less. Perhaps I'll be able to ease up a little. Time will tell, but insurance has to be paid. Child support has to be paid. You know? I have to run the miles it takes to make it happen. And heaven help me, the day they make electronic logging a requirement. Anyone who's been out there a while can attest, there are far more rollover accidents these days then there used to be. Like you said, Idk if its distracted drivers, drivers "trying" to fit hos regs, maybe so many new company drivers due to companies trying to cut costs.. or just more drivers on the road period. I do know that there was a time a guy could make $1200 per week, driving a company truck. Now adays, with all the "lease programs" out there. I think many of them aren't clearing 800 pw, and its "their" own truck! That's just not enough money to be away from home for. There was a time when you could make money in trucking by shear accident. Those days are long gone. On a good week, I can clear $2500 or so, depending on maintanence. (After everthing else). It takes every bit of that to pay pay pay. Right now, the new truck has 700k on it. My goal is to squirrel away 15000 over the next year, because I'm at the point where I might need to be getting ready for an in frame. I've bought brand new trucks, but at 130 to 150 gs, and engine warranties being cut back. Imo, it makes no sense to buy new anymore. I paid 32,900 for this truck. I have a reasonable payment, and will own it in 2.5 years. We don't always make the best decisions, but we try to make the ones that make sense at the time. Otherwise, ya just gotta hang on, and hope for the best!
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Sorry, that was the speed he was traveling, 105 kmh- 65mph I was doing about 98 kmh or 59mph? The half hour was at the end of the day 11 hrs later.
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1/2 hour a day is 3 1/2 hrs over 7 days or 150 miles. 1 mpg saving would be much more $ in your pocket than you think, and maybe allow you to not have to run so hard and put more in your jeans. Run smarter not harder. Good luck!!!
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I am getting a cascadia with a DD15 in it for my company ride.
http://cumminsengines.com/every/customer/driver_training.page?
I watched that because the truck I am looking to buy has a Cummins ISX in it.
The company has the DD15 and it's information is here.
http://www.detroitdiesel.com/about/press/videos.aspx?VID=3&category=engine
here is there "driver's training" videos and the one how to get the best MPG on it.
http://www.detroitdiesel.com/about/press/videos.aspx?VID=30&category=training
I think the engineers are pretty qualified to tell me how to drive their engine. -
Idk man, r engineers.. a company I used to work for ran 379s w c 13s inem. My boss had their guy come out n hook up to our trucks, and tell us how to run them. We all did exactly like he said, and our mileage went down...
Ex #2. Elroy may be better versed in the acert c15.. but re the twin turbos. There is a built in delay, from throttle, to boost. My experience running mountains or grades was that because i didn't have power when i needed it. By the time i got it, I was dropping gears, and having to really fight my way up the hill. You had to be pre-emptive on it, and still, it didn't always work. I'm sure that looked great in the lab. But i couldn't make it work in the real world. I don't trust engineers when it comes to that stuff, because just like I'm sure they all think we're a bunch of dumb axx truck drivers, I think most of them are over educated with little knowledge of real world conditions. -
I can partially agree with that last comment.
Engineer types (and I am one) have issues at time communicating good with people.
I just got done with watching all the videos on the Detroits. I have no idea how this new technology works. Last time I got into a new truck, it was a 05-07 Sterling.
Before that, pretty much still had more or less mechanical engines from the 90's.
I think a lot of it is going to be HOW the computer settings for the engine (cat, cummins, detroit take your pick) are set up. Does the driver understand the settings and are they working into them.
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Well, and I'm not saying all engineering types are clueless either. Mainly just that its hard, I think to simulate real world conditions, especially every conceivable variable, in a lab. Like a few of the things i mentioned earlier, ie, axles being warmed up, heavy tandem drag, ect.. I've even noticed that the greener the diesel, the better my milage. I'm sure that has to do with different blends or something. But regardless of the color/mix. It all meets what ever requirements are placed on it. I can also say that overall mileage has decreased since the change to low sulphur diesel. I've heard of guys adding automatic granny fluid to a tank, ect. Idk if any of that helps or not. I'd be more concerned gumming up injectors, but there is still some value to old trucker tricks of the trade.
When i started in this business, in 96, there were still a handful of the old old timers left. I kept my ears open, and learned a lot. I miss those old guys. I miss what trucking used to be. I don't even run a radio these days, cuz there's nothing worth listening to on it. But some of the people I've admired and respected most, were some of those old time truckers. I've lost friends I've made to old age, but I'm glad to have known them, and thankful to have benefited from their knowledge.
Pig pen, this here's the Rubber Duck, and ima bout to put the hammer down!
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Will agree with your engineer theory, until they have actually driven one of these things they don't have a clue. My current truck is a pete with a cat, previous for 1 year a Crap.. Er.. Sorry I keep doing that.... Cascadia... And the one that got away an 05 Classic with a 515 S60 in it. Never should have sold it... Anyway, they are not a hight torque engine, they will save you a ton of fuel by slowing down, and I mean a ton, you really have to pick your battles, a good head of steam and keep it between 1400 and 1600 on the hills works but when you find flat ground SLOW DOWN , lower rpms and lower wind resistance will save you a ton of $$. Trust me. I'm not an old guy (almost 50) but not my first rodeo either. My theory on hills is gallons per hour, the faster you get over the top the less gallons per hour, your not going to save your most fuel on hills but will on flat ground, and slowing down is how. My classic was getting 5-5.5 when I first got it, after modifing my driving habits I saw 7.5 on some lighter loads and never below 6.5 and its all east coast with Toronto heading east on flat ground, there I slowed down and cruised as easy as possible all the to the hills in NB . Made a huge difference in my pocket$$$
Be safe out there!!Last edited: Mar 9, 2012
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