Logbook Remarks?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Markk9, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    How many of you put or are required to put more than the city, state in the remarks sections of your logbook page?

    The instructor I had in school made it a point to tell us not to give DOT any additional information not required by the rules. The company I drive for also believes in this practice. The only extra information I include on my logbook is the recap.

    Mark
     
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  3. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Some "additional" information could save you a lot of money (fines). Although I do agree with your instructer, never give them any more than is absolutely required.

    One critical item, can save you some grief though. Violations... If you drive over your 11 or 14, note the violation in the remarks area. And apply the neccesary action to correct it, IE 10 hr break.

    A simple 15-30 minute violation will get you a scolding by the DOT. But will generally be allowed, without a fine, if you have noted the violation on your own. Some hard cases may ask you to explain your actions. But they take into account that you are NOT trying to hide the offense.

    Of course, you will still get that audit from your logging dept. Telling you what a dangerous driver you have been that month. But what the hell.
     
  4. Foxhunt75

    Foxhunt75 Light Load Member

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    Well as for remarks, keep them simple in your log.
    Example:
    Instead of Lunch, put Meal.
    The dot doesn't need to know that it is breafast lunch or dinner for you.
    Just keep it simple.

    Hope this helped.
     
  5. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    Yes, I know that if you go over hours, use the emergency exemption you need to note it in the remarks section.

    I know a few PA-DOT officers. They tell me that besides not having a log book current, most other tickets for log violations the drivers give themselves away. They having to much info in the remarks and talking themselves into a ticket.

    Any time I get asked specific question about my logbook, I use the: I don't recall, what does the logbook say. DOT has never liked the answer, but to date I have not received a logbook ticket. Knock on wood...

    Mark
     
  6. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    I'm not referring to an emergency exemption here. I'm talking about a simple violation. An emergency exemption, is just that...for emergencies, not improper planning or brain farts.

    While the wrath of God may come down on us occasionally. Some of us just don't pay attention. LOL.

    I've always noted these types of violations, they don't occur often. I've never been ticketed for them, even in CA during an inspection. Although the officer did rake me over the coals.

    Simply put. The violation is noted, you took corrective action. You have broken the rules per se. But you have not tried to hide anything in doing so. Yes, it could be seen as an admission of guilt. But the law is simple. When you are "caught" violating the law, you can receive a ticket, and be placed OOS until the proper corrective action has been applied. IE a 10 hr break.

    A crude example: Urinating in public...is a punishable offense, if you whip it out and let it fly. If you do it "in your pants" (accidental of course). EVERYBODY is aware of what happened. But the odds of actually getting a ticket for it...are less than .05% I would think.
     
  7. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    It is not a DOT requirement to note what you are doing, however most companies do require it and it's really helps the log auditor in many cases to understand what the driver is doing.

    Like I had drivers logging line 4 for meal breaks and if they did not write down meal break I could not contact them and say hey you are wasting your line 4 time. We give a meal card to relieve all responsibility.
    So it really helps us out.

    My opinion is if a driver has nothing to hide why not write down what you do (minues personal info such as using the bathroom).
    A neat log, current log and everything written down is always a great looking log and less hassle as they feel you have nothing to hide :).

    Also your log book is a legal document, so IF ever a case happened to where you was accussed of something and you could not remember (because you did not note something on your log book) you might lose the case. I had a driver who noted everything and was accused of check fraud. He proved he was in a different state. I had a driver who was accused of hitting someone and they had the trailer # only. The driver had written what time he picked up the trailer in the remark section and took that to court and proved, he did not have that trailer at that time. So it's all about noting for your own good in many cases.
    I don't consider this a major log violation just ask you to note it. So the violation means nothing really in my log department some take it more serious :biggrin_2556:
     
  8. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    I do not think it's your job as a log auditor to understand what I do, only to make sure what I do is with in the law.

    DOT is not your friend, they are out to make money on the drivers mistakes. Why would you help them?

    Question to all: Do you mark your log book with 14 rules, 10 hr break start and stop, and 34 reset?

    Just marking city and state will give you the same protection. It still proves the driver's location.


    Mark
     
  9. rwings

    rwings <strong>"Jet Force"</strong>

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    I write everything in the remarks section, loading, unloading, meals, etc. I have never had a DOT officer complain or ask a question about my log book. If anything they compliment my on my neatness and I will not say that I run 100% legal.

    My company prefers us to not write more than the city and state, but I prefer to do it, so I have a good record of what I have done. That way if I am asked about something that happened on a certain day, all I have to do is look at my log book.

    If you are playing by the rules you shouldn’t feel like you have to hide info, right?
    :biggrin_2558:
     
  10. AfterShock

    AfterShock Road Train Member

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    I've found that neat logs are appreciated by law enforcement officers, too. And I tend to include additional information not necessarily required by the DOT or the company, ...... but not TOO much additional info.
    I'll note trailer changes --- location of changes --- and trailer dropped and hooked numbers.

    This is very easy when running a totally legal log, but if you're being "creative" --- that's another story. And COULD getcha in hot water should proof of your location at a certain time become necessary.

    If a Big truck driver indicates on their logs that they picked up a trailer that the Big truck driver who dropped it claims on their log book -- wasn't even there, ...... yet,........ Hooston, we have a problem.
    Who will they believe?
    :scratch::evil3::sign6::book::stop::smt105
     
  11. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Great job and you are thinking way ahead like I tell drivers! Great notation
     
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