ATA Appeals HOS ruling

It seems to me in some of the research I have done (answering to ATA of some of the above questions myself) the accidents happen within the first 4 hours. Why I wonder? I wonder if maybe drivers are being forced to take 10 and only sleeping 6 and being awake for 4 hours before leaving, which means they will be tired 9 hours later? I would be????

This thought was just going through my head
It would go back to if they would allow the drivers to split the "old" way. 5 + 5 etc. Would the rules even be better?
I honestly don't see how the accident rate has went down when every morning I wake up and it seems a truck driver was in an accident in my state alone. Not to mention the other 51 one states. Plus all the fatalities.

To get allot of the data many companies are simply going off what the drivers log sheets say. Now how many drivers do you know who are logging illegal anyhow So them using these numbers are really scary if that's how they come up with the regulations. I had to do it and I shook my head the whole time thinking these numbers are just lies (most anyhow).

I am not debating with anything you said, just again me waking up finally and wondering what you think and everyone else.

 

You can rest assured that if a driver is involved in a serious accident, especially when fatalities occurs, the log-book is just the first reference point. After that, the driver's last two weeks of activity will be examined. In fact he can probably expect to visit a proctologist, like it or not. No kidding, even the carrier can expect some noses poking around in their files as well. No stone will be left undisturbed in the efforts to examine the true causes of the accident.

That means its the trucker's, or his companies', fault and the investigators will prove it, somehow.

 

Actually they go back 30 days from the date of the accident. If the company has qualcom they WILL subpenio (sp?) the qualcom records and possibley do the same on your cell phone records etc. If they can prove you did not sleep any on the alleged 10 hour break you can be held accountable.


I was more referring to answering the ATA questions! They get their data from "other" trucking companies that will answer them questions. Which if they have automated information it's accurate, however if the company goes strictly off logs the information is not accurate.

Trust me! I know what happens if someone is in an accident etc.

 

I learned something interesting at my last safety meeting which focused on rear-end collisions.It seems there were more accidents in the first hour of driving and that drivers with over a year of exp.were responsible for over 70% of them.After looking into it the company say's they found that the more exp.drivers were extending their 10 hr.break and in an effort to make up time were following to close,taking exits to fast etc.Like the instructor said "when your late your late you can't make up time in a 63 mph truck"

 

I believe these methods I would not doubt one bit of them. Just remember however DOT/Attorneys will go back 30 days from the time of the accidents.

 

Someone told me today that the 10 hour maximum driving rule was coming back in December. Anyone heard anything?

 

It's not "coming" back. We never had a 10 hour driving period within the 14 hour rule. Many drivers are thinking the "old" rules are coming back.

What they are "TRYING" to do is instead of 11 hours of driving within the 14 hour period and make it 10 hours driving within the 14 hour period.

And they want to do without the 34 hour restart.

Will it change on 12-27-07? Doubt it, we might know what the rules will be and hope we have time to train drivers etc.

It can take up to a year before anything changes