Cents per mile bottom line.....what did i miss?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by SW Transport, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. SW Transport

    SW Transport Bobtail Member

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    so i think i have my cents per mile figure dialed in but i'd really love some input from you guys that have been doing this a while and let me know what i've missed. i posted a similar set of numbers in a different thread (but thread happens to be 165 pages long and wanted to make sure these numbers get looked at. i have changed the way i calculated them by carrying out the digits farther than before to avoid the machine rounding things up or down. so please take a look and let me know where i'm "off"......

    as before, all figures are based off of 100,000 miles, 5 mpg, and $4.00 per gallon of diesel:

    1) .80 fuel
    2) .025 registration
    3) .016 IFTA
    4) .0055 2290
    5) .004 UCR
    6) .36 Driver's pay
    7) .10 Truck insurance
    8) .08 Maintenance
    9) .025 Tires
    10) .12 Truck payment
    11) .003 Authority
    12) .03 Oil change/Lube
    13) .002 Drug Test Consortium
    14) .00045 OOIDA
    15) .003250 Corporation renewal
    16) .005 Business license renewal
    17) .0025 NASTC membership
    18) .005 Accountant
    19) .04 Workman's comp for driver

    20) .003 Qualcomm
    21) .003 Blower kit for trailer


    TOTAL $1.6267
    NEW TOTAL........ $1.6327

    do you guys see anything that i missed completely or something that i need to adjust? Thanks in advance for checkin' my math!
     
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  3. spacetrucker88

    spacetrucker88 Heavy Load Member

    do you or will you have frieght to sustain that kind of break even point? That is $162670.00 to break even a year or $13555.00 a month Are you gonna run on your own or lease to someone?
     
  4. SW Transport

    SW Transport Bobtail Member

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    the truck will be pulling a company trailer, not my own. but i will be running under my own authority. supposedly yes, there is enough freight to run those miles (more if wanted). i have spoken with another driver for the same company and he averaged $1.78 for all miles driven last year.
     
  5. Sly Fox

    Sly Fox Road Train Member

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    Seems your 'driver pay' is a little low. I understand it's bottom line. But if it's your truck and your neck on the line, I'd be doing 'bottom line' for more than that.
     
  6. US MARINE

    US MARINE Heavy Load Member

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    1 .62 seems like a correct figure but at 5.0 mpg I'd think about dumping the truck to trade up to a more fuel mileage conservative truck the difference between 5.0 and 6.8 or 7.2 is huge ... You talking about your fuel costs drop to around 0.58-0.63 which is a savings of 0.17-0.22 per mile dropping your overhead to aprox 1.40-1.42 which is a much better break even number JMO .

    If it were me I'd prob keep the OOIDA and drop the NASTC
     
  7. spacetrucker88

    spacetrucker88 Heavy Load Member

    you will never know unless you try but those numbers scare me. I think you built in some wiggle room on fuel milage and cost per gallon which is a smart move in my opinion. Better to plan on less but get more if you know what I mean. Good luck with your venture.
     
  8. Clasix1055

    Clasix1055 Even when I'm wrong I'm right

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    5,11,15,16 are not recurring cost....
     
  9. SW Transport

    SW Transport Bobtail Member

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    in this case the driver's pay is actually for a driver. i'm going to be putting a driver in this truck instead of running it myself. i may actually look at starting the driver's cpm a little lower then bring it up as it's warranted? i want to start high enough to be able to attract the better driver's and RETAIN those driver's but not so high that i have no room to raise it down the road. do many company driver's earn more than 39 cpm? i would also like to develop bonus plans too.

    the 5.0mpg is what i'm hoping turns out to be a worst case scenario. i've run numbers using 6.0mpg as a base number too and it's amazing how much better it makes the numbers look!! i have not bought a truck yet as i'm still running numbers and developing the business plan. the truck that i will ultimately end up with will either be a Pete 386 or a KW T660 so i SHOULD be able to get better than 5mpg....at least in theory. regarding NASTC, they apparently have a very good fuel card that more than pays for the membership fees.

    oh yeah, the fuel mileage is hopefully going to be 6+ which will add a HUGE amount to the bottom line. as for the price per gallon, it's over priced for now but who know how long this down turn in fuel prices will actually last.

    #5 is UCR which is an annual cost. #11 you could be correct on. is the actual authority fee a one shot deal? that one i wasn't sure about. #15 is the cost to maintain the corporation and it comes around every year. #16 is the same thing but for a local business license which also has an annual fee to maintain the license. unless i'm misunderstanding what you meant, the only one that is NOT recurring is #11?

    thanks to all of you who responded. this is exactly what i was hoping for. i need some independant people to poke holes in my numbers and play devil's advocate so i can get an accurate account of where the money will go before i pull the trigger on this adventure.

    thanx again!
     
  10. Sly Fox

    Sly Fox Road Train Member

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    Getting your authority is a one-time deal. $300 up front.

    As for a hiring a driver, that makes more sense.

    Now, the one thing about these numbers that would scare me (even worst case scenario) is dealing with WHEN things are due. Sure, it's nice to say that the 2290 is .0055/mi, but in reality you pay it up front and then are loaning yourself your own money while your driver is paying you back interest free over the next year. And then the process repeats itself the next year. Other expenses, too. Insurance is paid up front (by month, including before your authority goes final), your $300, equipment purchase, etc. A lot of money is coming out all at once that you're not adding in the cost of recouping that money. You're loaning it to yourself for free. With inflation in one year, that's actually a negative ROI with regard to that money. Also, what about repairs. You want a bank roll to start in case something big happen early. Even something that may not be warranty. Such as your driver needing towed out of a ditch, blowing tires, etc.

    .08/mi is only $8,000 a year for repairs. Now, since this is a power-only proposition and you're accounting for $2,500/year for the tires, that's still only $10,500 for vehicle related needs. Based on your truck price, you're looking to spend on $12k a year for the truck payments. I'm guessing you're buying used. Which case, $10,500 can be eaten up in a hurry if things go wrong. And secondly, you only get $10,500 at the end of the year. What if halfway through the year, you've spent $9k to maintain the truck, meanwhile your driver, at worst case scenario, has only earned you $5,500 for repairs and tires. You're $3500 in the hole for repairs waiting for the money to build up and hoping nothing else major goes on.

    Sure, you can make more than $1.70 for all miles (because your driver won't care whether he's loaded or empty to be paid). But, what about detention, layover, etc. The driver is going to want something, whether you get it from the load or not. If you sit him for a day because you're looking for better freight, what is he going to get out of it? If the answer is $0, he won't be your driver for long. Same with detention. If he sits for 8 hours at a receiver and your contract doesn't give you anything, your driver will want something for his time. Here or there, he may let it slide.

    Fact is, I'd want at least a .20/mi cushion on that for all miles built in to handle all that. That'd be another $20k, with more money coming in up front to help shore up the bank account for repairs, lost time from repairs, etc.

    This worst case scenario feels more like a "at what point will I default on my obligations" than "at what point should I seriously consider, economically, doing this".
     
  11. Allow Me.

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