IFTA, How?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by gravdigr, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    OK I think I have the basic idea about IFTA, I tried reading the IFTA reporting manual linked here and....well I hate reading federal documents as they repeat a lot and seem to use a lot of doubletalk. So once again I respectfully request your assistance in explaining in a manner normal people can understand how this works.

    What I think I know...

    When you fuel up, pump price isn't really the important thing, you need to look at how much tax that state is taking. ie. state one has fuel at $3.80/gal but they charge $.35/gal fuel tax. State two has fuel at $3.70/gal but they charge $.20/gal in tax. So while state two is cheaper at the pump, $3.80 vs $3.70, once you take out the tax state one is actually cheaper at $3.45/gal after tax vs State two at $3.50/gal after tax.

    So you pay IFTA taxes based on how many miles you run in a state, what your average MPG is, and that states tax per gallon of fuel used there. Do I have that correct? If so how do you keep track of how many miles you run in each state? And do you just pay based on whatever average MPG you got for that quarter?

    Say you are running a fleet and have some owner operators leased on to you and you take their IFTA from their settlements. I'm thinking the honorable thing to do would be to track every owner operators individual fuel mileage and bill their IFTA accordingly. With the fleet you can just use a fleet average since the company is paying IFTA for all those trucks. I'm wondering if leased on owner operators could get screwed since an o/o can, in general, get better fuel mileage than a company driver. But the company just pools all the trucks, leased and company together so the o/o is paying more IFTA then he/she owes while the company benefits by the o/o high mpg raising the fleets MPG.

    OK so back on track, you are an o/o with your own authority and you pay your own IFTA. How do you come up with the numbers and calculate it. If you are leased onto a company how do you calculate it to make sure the company isn't screwing you with higher IFTA taxes than you deserve.

    I hope this all made sense. This is kinda new to me.
     
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  3. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Hubby writes down his hub miles at all state lines for me. Then I have a spread sheet that figures all of the miles per state, gallons purchased in each state, and the Totals for each. Then, when I report, it figures your avg mpg and lets you know if you own anything in each state.

    One good rule of thumb, is buy fuel in each state that you are running in. Hubby always did that and we never wound up owing much on IFTA.

    Now, we have a local gig and he still crosses state lines. Because our tax is higher than the other states, we usually get a refund because we purchase the majority of our fuel in our state.
     
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  4. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    OK, so each time you cross a state line you write down the odo reading. So companies that use qualcom or some other tracker they record the mileage automatically in each state. Then you use the fuel receipts. Now this spreadsheet has to have the current fuel taxes for each state in it somewhere. Do you just check the atlas or online to get updated fuel tax rates for each state? And IFTA does have to be reported quarterly right? Or is it monthly?
     
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  5. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Its Quarterly. No you don't have to keep track of what each states tax is. I report on-line and its automatically figured on the gallons purchased in each state, and the avg miles ran in each state divided by the avg MPG your truck got.

    Now if your state doesn't have the online reporting, then you will have a chart in the IFTA booklet the state sends you that you can figure your tax for each state, and weather its a credit for that state or weather you owe for that state. Some states (New Mexico and others) you have to report them separately. We don't have any of those states on our plates, but for someone doing all 48, its a little more work with those states.

    Here, our state disperses any tax that is owed to the other states, and we just pay our state if we owe anything at all.
     
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  6. RedForeman

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    I do it similar as BHW, only getting the mileage off the gps units in the trucks. The Georgia DOL online IFTA tool figures the mpg and has the tax rates in it.

    You essentially got it right - IFTA just takes taxes you paid at the pump and redistributes to states based on mileage in each.

    Another thing that's not obvious in the reading material before having to do your first one is surcharge states. I'm not running all 48, but the ones I've dealt with are KY, IN, and VA. I'm pretty sure there's more, I just haven't had to report them so don't have the full list off the top of my head. Basically a second line on the IFTA return for those states where they tack on an additional tax based on miles. Usually a smaller amount, but it's in there and not dependent on mpg or gallons purchased.

    Similar, but separate from IFTA, are states that charge weight/distance tax. I only file in KY, but I think the other states that do this are NY, NM, and OR. Something tells me I'm missing one. I mention this as the data collected when preparing an IFTA return makes this pretty simple to do. KY is quarterly so I do this when I sit down to get the IFTA return done. Relevant to IFTA as it is a similar type of tax issue, using the same data, to stay on top of.

    There's fuel planning tools that will work the fuel/route/state equation based off daily pump prices and save you money. I just haven't seen enough evidence with my small operation to make the break even on effort vs payback vs time. A larger fleet and certain routes can change that dynamic enough to make it worthwhile. Last time I looked at this, I predicted a break-even ROI on the subscription, with the downside of more of my time spent managing driver routes and fuel stops. Another downside is potentially awkward fuel stop routing, which then feeds into scheduling, additional stops, and getting drivers through a decent t/s more often than not. Add yet another dynamic of using a fuel card program that prefers some stops over others for discounts, it turns into a pretty hairy problem to to work out.
     
  7. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    Hoo, it just got more complicated. I'm certain I will be running ky, va, and in lol. Though I will be leased with this taken out of my settlements automatically I like to know why I am paying what I am paying.

    On the fuel routing programs, they are a PITA, seriously. The company I drive for now uses the rand mcnalley one and it drives me nuts. I once fueled up twice within an hour of each other, 65 gal per fuel stop. As a single driver I'd have to see a pretty good return on investment to pay the monthly fee to put myself through that. Though I know there will be planning when I run my own truck based on the fuel discounts the fuel card provides and cost of fuel at the truckstops. I just read the nastc thread which goes pretty far into detail about planning stops based on discounts and pump prices.

    You said you use gps units in the trucks to track the miles in each state. My rand mcnally will track how far I drive in each state, but I noticed it can be off a few miles from the odometer. Not sure if I would trust it to reliably record the miles driven in each state. You probably use some type of commercial unit designed for this purpose correct?
     
  8. fortycalglock

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    Your GPS is most likely more accurate than your odometer. Your odometer is set for RPM's based on a brand new tire, if it's set properly. As the tire wears down, it will turn more RPM's for the same speed. It will only add up to a few miles difference, but nonetheless it will add up over a given time period like 100 miles.

    As far as your other question, yes some lease companies pool their IFTA, making you subsidize the other guy, or their trucks if hey run them on the same fleet. When I had an o/o, I always calculated his IFTA separately.
     
  9. ska

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    Theoretically, if you purchased fuel for all the miles driven in a state from that state's fuel pumps, you would not be paying any IFTA tax. Your IFTA tax obligations would have been already met. Am I correct?
     
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  10. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes, that is correct. When hubby was OTR, we rarely had to pay in over $10. He bought fuel in each state he ran in and it just about equaled out.

    When getting started, IFTA seems way more complicated than it really is. Once you get a couple under your belt, it pretty well becomes something that you don't really worry about. Its just a matter of figuring out a system that works for you and your lanes.
     
  11. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    In my slightly educated opinion I would say you are correct. I'm guessing intrastate carriers do not have to file IFTA for this reason as they buy fuel and drive in 1 state only. Or if they do file the lines always balance.
     
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