I guess i just dont understand, but what is the advanteges so being an O/O? with all the expences on you, the drive, how do you make a decent living on the rd?
1. fuel, which is well over $3 a gal.
2. insurince
3. truck expenses such as, wipers, oil, radio's, engine repair which i have head that some diesel mach. are not very cheap.
4. road side assistance.
5. tires
6. breaks
7. hoses
8. air lines
and so on. and i would imagine that in the past truckers were able to make a good livin' out there when fuel was one in cents. but how is it done today?
i am in school, going into my 6th week, and about roughly 5 months to go till im done, and since i was a child i have always dreamed about becoming and O/O, now that im " here " and i step back and look it, i find myselfall the time....
some day id like to be an o/o, but i want to hear from you vets out there, compare it from when you started, to now, thats would awsome!!
~~~~~~~~keep on truckin'~~~~~~~~~~~
Why O/O??
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by soon2betrucking, Oct 27, 2007.
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at the end of the week your paycheck will probaly be bigger than mine....and i'll definatly have more expences and headaches.....my reason?
the freedom
u see i can turn down loads, route myself whatever way i like,take 6 months off,run on my own shedule, heck i could d/h 3k miles and noone is gonna say a darn thing to me about it......except maybe my accountant, but i can fire him....lol -
Hey broncrider i hear what you saying about the freedom, and no one to answer too. and being able to take off as much time as you want, and trust me, ALL of that is like the " perfect job " but how many miles do you average?
are you able to make more cpm ?? which i would imagine you can.
as you said, " at the end of the week your check will be bigger then mine"
so to become an O/O at the begining is not the way to go right? im still in school, have big dreams of opeining my own trucking company some day, so i need to get " my foot in the door " first.
Broncrider thanks for the reply... sorry for all the question. im just trying to understand the advantege of being an O/O.. i do understand that no matter where you work weather its trucking or on the food industry as long as you work you ##### off you can do pretty good
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Most wannabe o/o's today will start as a lease operator thru a companies lease purchase plan. They will not have the money for a down payment nor the experience of running a business with all the nuances of not only driving a truck but maintaining it, filing and paying your taxes, Arranging for insurances such as bobtail, medical, dental, vision, disabilty, and workers comp (your responsibility as an independant contractor).
Face it, lease operators today will make LESS money in their pocket than a company driver.
Company drivers get all the insurance at reduced rates plus taxes are calculated and deducted weekly and a company driver gets paid vacations, holiday pay, sick days, 401k, doesnt pay for the fuel or maintenance costs at all. If the truck breaks down he calls the company and its up to the company to get it fixed. Less stress overall.
With a truck running about .70 to .75 cpm just to operate it is difficult to see any advantage (economically anyway). The average company will offer a lease operator about .90 cpm plus a 20 to .25 cent fuel surcharge. Companies are offering their drivers 40 to 55 cpm plus benefits and pay half the social security for the employee. A lease operator pays all the social security tax plus all the taxes are his responsibilty to pay quarterly or be faced with late fees and interest on top of the original tax liability.
A lease operator will have more tax write offs and will usually claim poverty to dodge the tax issue though. Not a good plan as your retirement from social security is directly proportional to the amount of tax you paid in. It will also make it more difficult to qualify for personal loans and credit in general if you are claiming poverty.
If on the other hand your intention is to screw your x wife on alimony payments, reduce your child support payments, and opt out of paying taxes then by all means become a lease operator. Just keep accurate tax records in the event you get audited. -
Jikklj777 thanks to you too for the honst reply, so it sounds to me that sticking with a comapny is the better way to go for at least the first couple of years starting up in this industry, being a " soon-2-be-nobie ", im am 21, no major payment, no wife, or even x-wife or child support. no monthly bills except the cell. and when i get on the rd ill have the wireless set up through my cell.... however i think for the moment im going to put the thought of running my own company a side for roughly the next 5-10 years, get " my foot in the door " and see how the major industry it all done, and then when the 5 - 10 years is up, see how it is, see how i have made out working with a company.
i am not looking to " get rich quick " but i doo strongly feel that if i get in with a company such as schinder, werner, or twc as my 3 choices as of right now, and i work my talk off running the entire country plus cananada and staying away from mexico i should be able to make a decent living, and when my buddy gets his cdl we plan on teaming together
thanks again for your input.. when the recruiters come to our school and i ask them questions like this, they " beat around the bush " and all i was asking for was some honesty
thanks again
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Not to discourage you but the companies you just mentioned are very low on the driver satisfaction meter. I would offer the following: check into Roehl, Gainey (GTS), Crete (or any acklie company), or (the company I work for Eastern Freightways based out of North Brunswick Nj. I am biased of course in this respect but Here goes anyway. Eastern does accept student drivers from an accredited driving school. I believe the training pay is 100.00 per day after a 3 day paid orientation. Hotels are issued for the senior driver and although the trainee is encouraged to sleep in the truck by the company to "get used to it" most trainers will get a double room and share the room. For local trainers the trainee can go home (if they live close enough to North Brunswick) as long as they return to duty after their 10 hour break.
Getting your foot in the door is the main thing though. The companies you mentioned do not pay for paid holidays, sick days, personal days, break down pay, etc. and usually expect you to be gone 2 to 3 weeks at a time while Eastern gets their drivers home each weekend.
The down side of Eastern is the equipment is older and may break down more often than what the larger carriers offer. -
I would like to have quoted the person who stated the average pay rate for lease operators in this post, however I cant figure out how to quote just part of a post!! LOL
Anyhow, my husband and I became o/o's for a few reasons, the main one being money. So far, we are making quite a bit more money compared to being company drivers. We bought our truck outright, no payments on it.
We leased on to a company that he was a company driver for. ( local company)
We are paid $1.09 per loaded mile and .77 cents per empty mile, we do not run empty much. On top of that we do get a fuel surcharge, and discounted fuel at the terminals. The other benifits to being leased to this company, is geting fleet priced insurance and they take care of getting the tags for the truck, we do pay for them. We are running the truck about 850 miles per day, he drives days, and I drive nights so one of us is always home with our son.
We have often wondered if getting our own authority would be better, but as bad as this sounds, its pretty easy where we are so far, why make things more difficult at the moment.
I have no idea if leasing on here has been the best deal or not, but it is working for us right now. If anyone else is in a similer position, I would love to learn what others are making.
I would not recommend becoming an o/o to any new driver, my husband and I were both company drivers for several years before buying our truck. It sometimes is very stressful, such as breakdowns &tax time.
Hope the info helps you to see there is both good and bad in owning your own truck.
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