DOT right to search without prob. cause??

Basically, I DIDN'T give up my rights to get my CDL.

 

I think your use if words here is in poor taste. I am sure during the stop you probably gave the State Trooper a bit of a rebellious attitude. The 3 times I have been stop by police I was very respectful and polite and in no way displayed an attitude, this got me not ticket and "Have a good evening sir"

All I'm saying here is if you get pulled over, just suck it up and be polite, it will get you on your way sooner then displaying "ANY" kind of attitude. If you feel you are in the right then take it to court, don't argue with a cop on the side of the highway or at a weigh station, you will always come out the loser.

 

This is exactly what I'm saying also.

I have a lot of respect for LEO's they take a lot of risk pulling over someone on the side of a highway with cars passing by at 70 or 75 MPH, then they never know if the fool behind the wheel has a gun or not.

BTW, if you ever get pulled over. first then to do is put your hands on the wheel at 10 and 2, that way the LEO can see your hands and that may diffuse the situation a bit, and get you on your way quicker.

 

It's nice how you can assume I'm the one who had attitude and not the police officer. I'm not the kind of guy who thinks being nasty to a police officer is going to get me somewhere. That's why I cooperated with everything he wanted. I didn't have to let him search me or the vehicle, but I did, figuring that if I was nice about it and showed him I had nothing to hide he'd be less of a prick. Take your assumptions elsewhere.

 

Drivers: The officers are doing their job as you are doing your job.
DOT was in our office several months ago (you can read my threads to find out exactly when) and he said truckers think we pick on them and he did state some of these officers want to play hard ball, but he said he gives more breaks than he should because instead of writting tickets etc he trains them properly so hopefully the next time he/she won't have to pull that same driver over again . This is one of the guys who actually do the company audits, not just an officer every day. Now the thing on I-70 In Indianapolis, IN. I say that was definetly a money maker issue, however the drivers were told so it was fair game. They did make millions off truckers and I feel that was totally wrong.

Trooper: There is bad apples in every career & then some feel everyone in that career is to blame for that one bad apple. I just ignore that factor. I understand your position and I would onlly hope you don't take your power and make someone life miserable due to that power. I doubt you do or you would not be here! If I am doing something wrong and I get busted, I say it's my fault not yours for pulling me over.

How do you know the cop hasn't pulled over 10 cars to the one trucker (since pulling over a tractor usually takes longer)? Just a thought there.

 

AMEN

 

L.O.L. guess they don't realize you are listening huh?

 

It's been an "us vs them" thing for yrs now.
Didn't use to be.
I don't have an exact date for when it all changed.
Somewhere after the early 80's I think.

I grew up in CT till I was about 20.
My job had me rubbing elbows with several officers in F Troop.
A different job had me involved in driving trucks thru there as well.
The officers in F Troop were good souls & their hearts were in the right place.

It was very common for several of these officers to congregate around truckdriver's backyard BBQ's, break bread with each other on the road & once in awhile babysit each others kids.

Some of the officers had even driven truck before getting into enforcement.

Then, as the older officers retired, in came the new breed...The mushrooms.
As we all know, the new broom sweeps clean.

I'm thinking that's about when it changed.

The new breeds became more & more para-military, less cognicent of their fellow commercial road travellers.

I expect that's due to leadership.
Seems to me the officers take on the personality of their seniors to make points.

Used to be a give and take situation on the roads.

The cops knew what we were trying to get away with & we had a pretty good idea of how much we could push the envelope without making the officers look bad.

Hell, I've even had hi speed escorts a time or two from CSPD thru safer areas.

There were several times when CSPD asked drivers to assist in stopping or looking for a suspect.

There was a great deal of cooperation between all parties & many friendships were born from these seemingly disparate relationships.

Friendships even survived after a ticket because we knew by the time it happened, we were scribbling outside the lines in whatever we were doing & "earned" that ticket.

Anymore, I see very few officers I would call friend or even want to have move in next door.

Anymore, if I'm hurt in an accident, the last person I want called is a cop.....Call me an ambulance first.

Anymore, I need the officer to prove he's not my enemy before I will relax & allow him/her to relax.

I don't much like to think that way but....the fact is...I've been around too long and seen the difference between the better side of enforcement & the worst of it.

Someone, somewhere escalated defense postures on each side of the fence.

At some point, it needs to be deflated so everybody can just go back to being the "good ole boys" they/we really just want to be.

I just don't think it's going to be possible in light of all this voodoo homeland security enforcement crap that everybody in enforcement seems to have bought into.

It's like Knute Rockney is alive in every podunk precinct & pep talking the troops endlessly for no reason.

The numerous infantile & insignificant rules that have become the mainstay of lil podunk revenues keeps everyone on edge.

As long as podunks big & small see trucking companies as cash cows or worse; The enemy that will keep the country from winning the war, curve you spines & steal babies like Gypsies, it will just continue on as "US vs Them".

It so suks to work under those conditions.

 

Trooper one
thank you and all law inforcement officers.

I was also thinking of installing a small safe to store cash, credit cards ect, But I'm afraid that some officers would assume that I was hiding a pistol in it.

 

I think its pretty cool that we have troopers who come onto this site and give the drivers advice.

I've never had any bad encounters with officers. My record is clean except for a few speeding tickets over the years. I know I was speeding and it was my fault I got those tickets. The officers weren't "dirtbags" or "scum". They were doing their job to enforce traffic safety regulations. I have friends who have had troubles with the police and I can honestly say their attitude towards the officer was what brought that trouble on in the first place.

I keep a clean appearance, present myself in an approachable manner and treat officers with respect. I've had a few times now where I got let off with a warning and even was able to make small talk with the police. I think if more people kept their equipment clean, kept a clean appearance, treated the officers with respect, and made an effort to learn from their violation they'd get off with a warning more times than not.

It's the attitude that "all cops are scum ridden dirt bags" that gets you a nice collection of yellow papers.

Would you honestly walk up to some dirty looking truck, and talk to a filthy driver who's looking at you with pure contempt and thinking you are total scum for the line of work you chose and let him off with a warning? I sure wouldn't. If I was just doing my job and someone made my day miserable I would certainly make their day miserable in return.

That's just my 2 cents...