What is going on with all the cheap rates from brokers on van freight ??

Link America ( Joanna ) said the load is available but the rate is $1050 for 1159 loaded miles to TX from Orlando FL

 

What loadboard is that?

 

That looks like ooida

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Yeah it's transcore members edge via OOIDA

 

And I thought platform rates out of Florida sucked.

 

That's sounds typical for VAN rates from Florida. They were the same in 2008 when everything took a dump, but guys hauled them then, setting the market price which they still go by today. Trust me, someone who needs "fuel money" to get ot a better market will take the load, even though San Antonio is just as bad.

That's why I switched from VAN to platform

 

Solution is simple: Charge an arm & a leg, hell maybe even two legs going into these markets where it's $1/mile freight. The backhaul rates will never change and there's nothing you can do because there will ALWAYS be someone to take it so just use that as bargaining when you book the headhaul into that market. Don't settle on that end. And if you'd rather deadhead than take the $1/mile then I wouldn't exactly call yourself a "businessman". Don't get your emotions involved, look at the numbers and if it makes sense financially. If there's a load paying $800 on 800 miles well that's a lot better than ZERO. Wouldn't you rather have $800 in your bank account if you're going that way anyways? And before i get my head chewed off I know it doesn't make it right for the brokers/shippers to offer that but it's a business and they are looking to make as much as possible just like you are. If you are offered 2 identical loads and 1 pays $250 more than the other there is no doubt which one you take and the brokers look at it the exact same way.

 

Solution is simple: Charge an arm & a leg, hell maybe even two legs going into these markets where it's $1/mile freight. The backhaul rates will never change and there's nothing you can do because there will ALWAYS be someone to take it so just use that as bargaining when you book the headhaul into that market. Don't settle on that end. And if you'd rather deadhead than take the $1/mile then I wouldn't exactly call yourself a "businessman". Don't get your emotions involved, look at the numbers and if it makes sense financially. If there's a load paying $800 on 800 miles well that's a lot better than ZERO. Wouldn't you rather have $800 in your bank account if you're going that way anyways? And before i get my head chewed off I know it doesn't make it right for the brokers/shippers to offer that but it's a business and they are looking to make as much as possible just like you are. If you are offered 2 identical loads and 1 pays $250 more than the other there is no doubt which one you take and the brokers look at it the exact same way.

 

I understand your theory. Do not get me wrong, I have done it both ways and I am not arguing with you nor chewing on ya, just thought I would throw in another point of view. I have been the guy that needed the fuel money to get back to where the money was better and that does work to a certain extent, however, here it comes; I have done the numbers on fuel consumption, wear and tear as far as,... well , everything. The cost of running empty is about roughly 60% of what it would be loaded, thats with all things added into the formula. Now here again it will depend on many variables, terrain, weather, how heavy is the $1.05 load, how far do you have to drag that 49,000lb load in the snow and ice up the Rocky Mountains for a mere $1.05 for your fuel? 200mls 400mls or could you have just put it in the wind been to the yard the next morning empty, fresh from good night sleep because you didn't chain-up the 3 mountain passes loaded, you were able to ease right on over empty and then you got an extra good payin load for the week because you kept the schedule. Does not always work that way though, I have done exactly that and made out like a bandit for it, then next month it looks like instant replay and the whole thing comes unwound with nothin to do but hang your head and laugh and say "well d@mn , it worked last month" Thats a fine line to tip toe with no iron clad answer, there are so many variables in the mix, each and every owner/driver has to make that call on the spot. Something else that has come into play, how ####y is one that particular day? Have we had a kick butt month, money in the bag and say "well I am not going to contribute to that #### this time I can afford to run out of here empty" and you leave all the other guys in envy as you jake shift every gear out of the truck stop, sunglasses on of course.....I can think of a few of those times myself , expensive words, but.....you know.....sometimes truckin just aint got nothin to do with money....believe it or not...
just another point of view....
J-J

 

Thers no such thing as backaul brokers made that up one persons backhaul is someone elses front haul.Its a big scam cause if im in newjersey and the rates suck leaving and go somewhere and i get 3.00per mile that is my backhaul,but if some leaves to that same place under a load for 3.00 to nj and get bad rate thats there backhaul.All they did was get fools to take cheap freight telling them if you take this for 1.00 per mile when you get to your drop you can get 3.00 coming back and now you made 2.00 all miles but what they dont tell these fools is they keep that other 1.00 per mile for themselves and the fool did all the work when will all these dummys learn.If they Stop buying a bunch of crap they dont need at the truck stops and buying brand new trucks and trailers they will have enough money saved up to say no to cheap loads.Thats how america got in trouble in the first place people buying a bunch of stuff they dont need.When its crunch time they have no money left to survive.Thats how brokers get them to take cheap freight.Ask yourself who in the hell would take cheap freight if they didnt have to.The answer is NOBODY would.So if a guy takes cheap freight he must have to cause he doesnt have enough money to pay for fuel to get out of a dead zone.I know its been said on here a million times but it will never change if these so called truckers dont start acting like businessmen.I fully understand this is a free market but when is it goin to be enough for these fools to refuse a load it should be competition but if im doing all the work theres no way in hell im working for free and thats what they are doing by being tricked into taking a so called backhaul.