No Gungho O/O?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by jyhm, Nov 18, 2007.

  1. jyhm

    jyhm Light Load Member

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    A lot of negative is posted about O/O

    When I was in school an instructor was all gungho about O/O, said he made more money and didn't worry about fuel costs because his surcharge covered it.

    A lot of people on this site say that there is not really that much money in O/O.

    I can understand that independence is a big factor in becoming O/O, but why would you do the companies job for them for the same pay as a company driver at the end?

    There has to be some O/O's making money out there.

    Seems to me that there would have to be a definite financial advantage along with the independence in order to draw a person into O/O
     
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  3. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    Only for a niche market with a true o/o. Meaning he owns his truck trailer and operating authority. Otherwise you just get broker freight and leftovers from the company your leased to. Greatest revenue makers of today are usually over dimensional, government contractors, and special commodoties haulers such as hazmat (explosives and nuclear transporters). Most lease operators wash out and go broke after a while so be wary and at the very least take some classes on running your own business BEFORE attempting this.
     
  4. NightWind

    NightWind Road Train Member

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    I don't view those of us that respond as being negative. Personally, I try to be factual and let whom ever is trying to decide get as much information, both good and bad so they can make a logical informed decision. That's what this site is about. :biggrin_25526: If he was making so much money then why is he an instructor now? Did you ask him that?

     
  5. jyhm

    jyhm Light Load Member

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    It was because of an accident that had rendered him partially brain damaged. Said he wanted to keep working badly even though he was approaching retierment.

    I myself am not even close to being able to go O/O. Not actually sure if I possess the business sense needed. I was not necessarily posting in order to figure some sort of business strategy, but more curious about the different accounts from drivers. One end I hear about how much money O/O's make, the other end I hear how much they are not.

    I had a guy from jersey flat out tell me to buy my own truck so I could make more money. I lot of people tell me this because I am single. Of course buying a truck is not a possibility for me right now, and from what I have heard and read on this site about leasing, I don't think that I would do that. However, don't some people lease directly from the dealer? Would not some prefer to lease instead of own so they don't have to worry about maintaining a truck?

    thank you for your responses though.
     
  6. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    From our standpoint, we are making money, but with that said, if we had not followed NightWinds generous advice..... we would be up the creek right now.

    Its all in how you manage your funds. And how you anticipate the unexpected. Had we not done that, we'd be paying interest on ANOTHER loan, for repairs. But we stashed money away for that unexpected event that would take a lot of money to pull out of. And we are fine, because we did this.

    Not everyone has the discipline to put that extra money away, and I believe that the lack of discipline is the biggest reason for failure.
     
  7. jyhm

    jyhm Light Load Member

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    Don't they (owner operators) have escrow accounts that you put a percentage in each week/month?

    If you lease/buy directly through a dealership, isn't a great portion of the maintenance covered buy warranty/lease agreement?
     
  8. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    Yes this is true. Many put aside about .08 cpm and will have about 10 grand in this account. This wont pay for a new engine but will be enough to handle most other "problems" you might encounter. As for making lots of money sure the truck may make close to 200 grand in a year in the hands of a savvy operator who really hustles but half of that will go towards "expenses."
    Some Union drivers will make close to a hundred grand WITH benefits and not have any of the hassles of actually owning a truck. An an o/o you will have little to no "free time." You will spend most of your time attempting to repair your truck yourself to save money.
     
  9. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, in our case, we don't have either. We bought the truck from another O/O. Financed through a small bank that understands the industry.

    We run for a broker, loads dispatched through him, but we owe him NOTHING, he gets a percentage of the load. The only entity we owe, is the bank, for the truck payment.

    I don't know about those that lease on with other companies, because we are running under our own authority.

    We just had a full in frame done on the motor, and was able to pay CASH for the work. Thanks to me reading NightWinds posts and following her advice about a slush fund, we weren't caught with our pants down. :biggrin_25519:
     
  10. jyhm

    jyhm Light Load Member

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    OK, forgive the barrage of questions;

    How much for truck?
    How much down payment?
    How much are payments?
    How much money is a good amount as far as having enough for 3-6 mos expenses?

    I know the sky is the limit for the last question but realistically what kind of a figure is it?
     
  11. NightWind

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    Sure we buy or lease them from dealers and some people prefer to lease for their own reasons. Some even lease them from companies where the truck will be leased, which I don't advocate at all. There are companies out there that do nothing but lease trucks and trailers to companies and some individuals, but just like buying/ leasing a car, the trucks warranty works pretty much the same., except a truck will run out of the bumper to bumper 100,000 mile warranty in a year or less.Then they have the remaining 300,000-500,000 warranty to cover main compotes, like the engine etc, rear ends and transmission, but it doesn't cover everything and there are limitations to it just like any other warranty. There are exceptions to ALL warranties and extended warranties are available, you pay for them, but you have to be very careful about those as well. Just like a lease car you have to pay for servicing it, tires and all the other expenses that go along with it. Each lease is different, so be sure to READ it and don't sign it unless you understand every word.

    No read above

    There is NO way to tell you that as I don't know your financial obligations. $10,000 is NOT unrealistic and would barely cover 2 months depending on expenses. Just add up EVERY thing that has to be paid and multiply by the number of months and don't forget to take into consideration the rising cost of fuel, oil etc.
    Planing is the key to success in this industry and getting every bit of information will help anyone make a good decision based on realistic real life cases.
    Dress neatly and have all your information and paper work organized and put together as a presentation before you approach ANY lending institute other wise you risk looking very UN professional. Don't make up or exagerate figures and facts as in some cases you can go to jail for providing misleading information in order to get the funding that you need.
    After all whether it's one truck or 100 it's a business and you have to convince them to be your partner. You have to sell them on taking that risk with you.
     
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