Worst Part of pulling End-Dumps

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by Eaton18, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. BanditTrucker

    BanditTrucker Light Load Member

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    here in south florida we use end dumps with 24" frames, the quarrys usually load sand and something called "pit-road" which are very small rocks for concrete.

    not sure if its easier to dump with frame or frameless.

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  3. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    out here it's called squee gee. or pea gravel.
     
  4. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    800 lbs is basically a half ton. add how many loads hauled out during the day. or the week. minus that half ton. basically means extra trips to get the needed tonnage hauled in.

    we had a driver that never cared how his bed looked. or that he basically hauled half a load in the truck all day long. everyone told him but he didn't care.

    can't you imagine paying for weight. with half that weight being the same weight all day long.
    8 bucks a ton. with 10 ton stuck in teh bed. that's 80 bucks for the same material being weighed on the scale. times 10 loads. 800 bucks for material that never left the bed. then times that by 5 days per week. so now we're up to 4000 dollars. now add up the extra cost in fuel and driver wages before the tonnage goal is finally met for the job sight. AND THEN. throw in the pup trailer which usually packed about 4 - 6 tons stuck to the bed.

    he's one of them drivers that was always broke down. for the stupidest reasons. never wanting to work more then 8 hours. and never once put in a saturday. 20 hours of overtime pay per week.

    he'd call the mechanics cuz his brakes weren't working. (too lazy to adjust them). he once called in for a new radio cuz the original quit working. 5 minutes later the truck died. new alternator and the radio magically started working again.

    AND HE WAS THE DRIVER THAT GAVE THAT BRAND NEW PETE TO. who had less senority then me.
     
  5. cariboo_kid

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    His truck was always breaking down and tying up mechanic time, so they figured it was the one that needed replacing. Sounds like you need to have more problems with yours to get a new one. ;)
     
  6. snowwy

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    no, i had the broke down truck. he got hired on. one week later my truck was traded for a new pete. he got the new. i got his decent truck. cept that in one week, he managed to screw up perfectly working brakes.
     
  7. Working Class Patriot

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    Meh......I wish I still tugged my low-side....3 days a week would be enough to earn my keep....But alas....Construction died in Cali and I had to run flats.....If I can be home two days a week now...I'm lucky....
     
  8. abyliks

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    framed trailers arent that bad...unless your paving (which you cant do with a frameless) depends on the length to. I would rather do a 24' frameless then a 30' framed that is nose heavy, especially if you have something sticky like loam or millings. I pull a 26' framed, however we have some 28 and 30'. Mass lets us run 104,000 pounds on 5 axles to so I can haul 35 ton. Easiest way to shovel out a dump is to stop and get a extra coffe and give it to the guy running the excavator on site ;)
     
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  9. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    I've only ran a framed trailer for a couple of months. Comparatively they are more forgiving than frameless. You can do the back and hard-break to shake material loose. With most framed trailers both axles stay on the ground giving you more stability. With frame-less you better be real careful doing that, or you'll lay it down or cause some serious damage to the ram/hoist.

    I've ran trackhoes (excavators) when I worked construction. It would be nice if there was one available where we dump. There was one sitting at the plant where I had this problem. Sadly it was locked up, and had a hammer attached. Those are a real PITA to hook up and remove, not really a one man operation. Then on top of that, it didn't belong to APAC, the company that owned the plant where I was dumping. Another construction company was using their area to dump and bust up concrete from a road or bridge.

    It seems odd that just a few more feet of trailer can make a world of difference in stability. 24, 28 or 39 ft, when that thing is standing on it's tail, that few extra feet can mean a lot of swaying with little effort.

    Also with frame-less you pretty much need to ensure your in a straight line when dumping. If you're angled too much, when that bed goes up, and your tractor is walking back, it will push the trailer sideways, ie; lean or laydown. I've dumped with framed trailers with the tractor off-set by nearly 90 degs.
     
  10. snowwy

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    i feel your pain brutha. i'm in the same boat.
     
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  11. markmassie

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    I am new at driving an end dump, what is the correct way to set brakes when dumping, I haul rock and sand, when raising do i set trailer brakes ? pull forward after material gathers around tires?
     
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