log book questions

Refer to post #13, on page 2. The reg is posted there. Adverse weather, etc, is not a criteria for using the 16 hour rule.

 

Very true about the adverse weather extension isn't part of the 2 hour extension of the 14 hour local log....

But here is a bit of a rub....when on a log (14 hours to drive 11), you can under extreme and very specific criteria extend to 16 to complete the legal drive time to a safe haven (another rub...can you extend the 11(?) it doesn't say anything about that, only the 12 to 14). The rule is specific about 12 hour periods, and I find nothing about having one day of 16 hours for the short haul 12 hour shifts.

If it is in there somewhere...would someone please point it out to me?

 

395.1 (a) 2 (b) says it is legal. It is a criteria for using the 16 hr rule.

 

That's for OTR using RODS. We're discussing "short-haul", not using RODS. Different rules.

 

takes more then a few minutes. but that depends on job i guess.


i never never never filled out a log when i was local. cept that one job i did that was 13 hours.
been inspected quite a few times from local blitzes. never once was i asked for logs. pulled into the scales couple of times. never asked for my logs.

 

Actually, it would be § 395.1(o)

§ 395.1(o) Property-carrying driver. A property-carrying driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.3(a)(2) (14 hour rule) if:

(1) The driver has returned to the driver's normal work reporting location and the carrier released the driver from duty at that location for the previous five duty tours the driver has worked; (in other words, you MUST be a local driver since you need to have started & stopped each of the 5 previous days at the same location)

(2) The driver has returned to the normal work reporting location and the carrier releases the driver from duty within 16 hours after coming on duty following 10 consecutive hours off duty; and (again, implies a local driver since you have to be released from your "normal" work reporting location within 16 hours after coming on duty)

(3) The driver has not taken this exemption within the previous 6 consecutive days, except when the driver has begun a new 7- or 8-consecutive day period with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours as allowed by § 395.3(c) (34 hour reset).




In any case, though, on the day you utilize the 16 hour rule you must fill out a log book page for the day because you exceeded the 12th hour and therefore are ineligible to claim the 100 air mile exemption for the day.

 

Your right. I was thinking of working a local job then taking a load out beyond the 100 mile mark and getting stuck by the weather.

 

Where does it state that?

 

As hard as the regs are to read,intentionally so in my opinion, I didn't see that either.

 

Originally Posted by Pedigreed BulldogIn any case, though, on the day you utilize the 16 hour rule you must fill out a log book page for the day because you exceeded the 12th hour and therefore are ineligible to claim the 100 air mile exemption for the day.

Bulldog is right. Those are two separate exceptions with two different requirements.

The 100 air mile driver exception in 395.1(e) requires the driver to return to the "normal work reporting location" and clock off within 12 hours to use the exception.

The one 16 hour day a week provision in 395.1(o) is a completely different deal. Any day a driver takes advantage of the 16 hour day, he may not use the 100 air mile exception because he did not return and clock off within the required 12 hour shift.