Is this legal?

You're considerate, but you're pointing out that violating the 14 is still a violation, and last I read, adverse driving conditions or emergency conditions does not include scheduling issues, which is why drivers need to cover their butts, not the shipper's nor the consignee's... just the carrier's and their own.

Driver's have to get as hard core as the shipper/consignee when it comes to the HOS requirements or they never will deal with the issue and then....it becomes a government oversight issue. A lot of shipper/consignee aren't like the real arses as you mention, but there are enough. I just find it hard to believe myself that a driver is so underpaid as not to be able to delay a few hours to do it right. If you allow yourself to be walked on, it won't stop.

 

First Scalemaster, I'm a former LEO, so this is not an anti-LEO post.. OK..

You stated that you would only allow you to get to the next SAFE and Legal place to park. Who's definition of Safe? Someplace where you might think it is safe? What if I (the driver) feels that I would not be safe parking on the on-ramps. Too high a risk of someone running into the truck. Roadways where I travel do not have shoulders, or if they do they're only a couple of feet before the ditch. That would lend itself to being both unsafe and illegal.

Parking across the road/street could be the local gang hangout, or the owner may not want big trucks parking there. Just last week I delivered to a CO-OP, very small community not far from where I live. I was surprised to see signs.. "No truck parking, private property". Until then, a CO-OP was my best bet for taking a 10 if the T/S was full, not so much now.

I and the other drivers could go on, as you probably know all too well. But the DOT, had better start using more common sense, as this is not getting any better, it's getting far worse. When this is occurring in rural areas, you know it's worse in the metro areas. Just because it's in a book that was written by idiots that sit behind desks, and are more than likely waaaaay left of center, does not mean that the officer on the street must cite everyone he/she meets. Back when I was LEO, at least we still had what's called Officer Discretion, and to use Officer Discretion meant that you employed common sense to the situation.

That's the sense that I'm starting to get from driver's complaining and reading on this forum. They are being pushed by officers of the law that think that they are the gestapo and drivers are the jews. The FMSCA is using you DOT officers as their thugs. While hopefully not all are blindly following, there's still too many that think and cherish that power.

Hey I have an idea... Why doesn't the DOT officers raise an issue with the FMSCA about this nonsense? They could collectively say we're not going to write people for something that is totally absurd to try and abide by. Or maybe the DOT does want it this way. So which side do you feel the DOT enforcement is leaning toward?

Again not an anti-LEO post, but feel that it is worth discussing.

 

Need another million officers like you, I don't like being followed around to a scale or having a officer watch my truck during a 10/34 to make sure I don't wonder off.

If I'm dead tired, I will refuse to move that truck. They want to tow it in the middle of the night, go ahead. I'll take it to court with the claim of having no hours left.

 

More than likely, no. The only thing most times happens is the guy will be nice enough to bring the paperwork out to the truck. As far as the E-logs go, as long as you creep out the dock it will be fine, but Werner is different. If you move the truck at all the computer logs it. That is what a friend told me about them but they have their own world and I don`t ever wanna be in it either.

 

The best advise I can give you is don't sleep at the consignee any more. Find the closest legal and safe place to park and head in first thing in the morning. If your company is trying to push you to get there and deliver tell them your out of hours for the day.(Assuming your still on paper logs)

 

I've heard the same about Werner from a buddy who went there.

Our elogs records after 7/10 mi, or u can go in idle speed in first and it won't record but it takes forever to get where ure moving to.

 

At CFI we had a release from liability letter ob company letterhead stating we were not responsible for the truck or trailer while loading. Back in the dock switch to off duty or sleeper. When they knocked on the door or told us we were done we went back on duty. Rarely did we do anything but open and shut doors.

 

Should be the responsibility of the carrier also to know regulations of the fmcsa.

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I have no arguement with that statement at all. Anybody involved in this industry should be familiar with them.

 

What's the FMCSA? Is this new, must have something to do with CSA I bet, I heard that's all garbage and unconstitutional.