What to do if asked to drive illegally.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Wooly Rhino, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    I ran across this posted in the report a bad company section. I thought it was very well written and deserved to be posted by itself. It was written by Rick G. I am posting it here without anyone's permission and hopefully, I won't be sued for copyright problems. Please be over 18 or get your mommies permission before reading it.

    Firing because of safety concerns is illegal . You must have documentation but all an attorney has to do is gain access to bol's and scale tickets as part of his discovery . Poland Springs will not appreciate having proof they sent overweight trucks out of their facility .
    http://asktheinsidersnow.com/2012/07...fety-concerns/
    In this case the driver was only 360 lbs. overweight , had the extra weight taken off at the shipper and was fired after delivering the load .
    On 1 Dec 08, Complainant was hired to drive trucks for Respondent. His first dispatch was on 2 Dec 08, hauling a load of meat from Greeley, Colorado to Wilder,
    Idaho. When he took the load from the shipper to be weighed the ticket showed a weight
    of 80,360 pounds. He did not call his dispatcher, but returned to the shipper to have some
    meat taken off and bring the weight below 80,000 pounds. The load had to be unsealed,
    an entire bin of 2000 pounds had to be removed and the load had to be retested and
    resealed. Following that delay, Complainant drove only about two hours before stopping.
    While off duty, he turned off his phone. He eventually delivered the load to Wilder and
    on his way back to Colorado picked up a load of Christmas trees. After delivering them,
    he returned to Respondent‟s yard and was fired shortly thereafter.
    Accordingly, it is hereby ORDERED that Respondent:1. Reinstate Complainant to his former position without loss of benefits or other
    privileges;
    2. Purge Complainant's employment file of any reference to his protected activity and
    discharge;
    3. Compensate Complainant for lost back pay by payment of $840 per week from 8 Dec
    08 to 25 Oct 09 and $128 per week from 26 Oct 09 to the date of reinstatement.
    4. Pay Complainant interest on lost back pay in accord with 29 CFR § 20.58(a).
    5. Pay Complainant $6,000 in compensatory damages.
    6. Pay Complainant $10,000 in punitive damages.
    7. Post a copy of this Decision and Order wherever employee notices are posted, for a
    period of ninety (90) days.
    8. Mail to each driver a notice that Respondent is prohibited by law from disciplining
    drivers for refusing to drive in violation of commercial vehicle safety regulations and
    either a copy of this decision or the URL for its posted location on the DOL website.


    http://www.oalj.dol.gov/Decisions/AL...9_CADEC_SD.PDF


    End of quotes from Rick G.

    Make sure you are correct before you argue the law with a company, but it is important to know your rights and to do your duty. Had the driver carried an overweight load and had an accident. No matter who was at fault, the driver would have shared liability for haul overweight with his full knowledge. Plus by only hauling 80,000 pounds another driver has a job as a second truck had to haul the extra freight.

    Again, thanks to Rick G.
     
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  3. Cobra67y20

    Cobra67y20 Medium Load Member

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    There were time I was over weight . I called my DP and let them know should I continue, or have them take off some the extra load. Some times they told me to go on and they would pick up the overload ticket charges. Make sure DP knows what's going on, don't assume!:biggrin_25513:
     
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  4. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Thanks for posting that wooly & thanks to Rick also :yes2557:
     
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  5. FatDaddy

    FatDaddy Road Train Member

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    Case dismissed

    Edit: Well I see he won. Good deal. Would have thought that little nugget would bite him
     
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  6. cheeseburger

    cheeseburger Medium Load Member

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    COMMUNICATION is the key to everything.
     
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  7. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Drivers also have to be careful driving for a carrier that encourages or allows falsifying of logs . In the case of a fatal accident a plantiff's attorney could depose all HOS records for all drivers. To try to be awarded maximum damages for willful negligence the attorney could pressure the DOT to file criminal charges against the company owners and all drivers with HOS violations .
     
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  8. Numb

    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    and that is what I have been telling drivers for years. you CAN and should drive legal. the law is really on your side. when dispatch says you have too and it is not legal,I say no.

    If you have Qualcom, put it on there, that is a legal record and can be used in court.
     
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  9. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Since I worked for Waste Management, I don't let an employer force me to do anything... illegal. I know some of you guys say, well sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I don't mind helping my employer get things done if its legal, but if its not, don't ask me to do it or I WILL make a phone call. I have done it many times before & I will do it many times more if needed. However, I find once you call their bluff, you don't have to do make that call any more.
    WM used to like to preach rules IF they were to their advantage or during safety meetings. However, they tend to forget about the rules if it doesn't assist them getting the job done. I do thank WM for teaching me the rules & for giving me the frame of mind to learn the book front to back.... for MY benefit.
    Now, if its overloaded, I call the company & let them know. From there it's their decision of what to do with it, but, I ain't moving that truck overloaded.
    I will inform them of my projected time frame for pickup & or delivery. The final decision is theirs as for how they want me to proceed BUT, if I don't make it there or if I miss a dead line, pick up or delivery, after I have given them notice of my times, logs etc, it's their problem not mine.
    There was recently a thread about unloading during a 10 hour off duty or sleeper birth time. When my time comes, I take it & I don't come back on until my 10 hours are up. If its 34 hr reset, same thing. If the pick up or drop off time is missed, its on them not me. I give notice before the dispatcher sends me the paper work.
    At my current job where its daily routes & we come home every night, I keep them informed & if I think I can get that route done within 11/14 hours. They know I wont violate that. If they over load my route due to time, I deliver all I can then I bring the rest back. It doesn't get delivered. Toward the end of the day, when I know it won't be delivered, I call them & let them know. The rest is up to them how they want to handle that with the customer. Its not my problem. I give notice before I am dispatched. After I did that about once or twice, they understood that I was serious about it. Now, they ask me ... they don't tell me.
    Am I an #####? I can be if I need to be. I treat people like they treat me. Don't try to stick me out & cause me problems & I wont stick you out. I will help you all I can, but you got to appreciate it, treat me the same way & help me. Since WM, I learned to use the law to my advantage just as they do.
    I wont violate HOS, safety & speed. Don't call me & tell me to hurry. That will pi$$ me off as fast as anything. If you want me to do it, we need to do it legal. If legal won't work for you, get someone else other than me to do it.
     
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  10. 900,000-tons-of-steel

    900,000-tons-of-steel Road Train Member

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    What happens if the worst occurs, such as an accident? From these pages it seems clear that unless the message was provided via the Qualcom, any dispatcher will deny telling the driver to run illegal (overweight).
     
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  11. Okieron

    Okieron Crusty Okie

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    EXACTLY ! Don't do it ! any time you are over sure they say they will cover the ticket. the problem is they are not authorized to make that decision. then there are the points you get, no matter how much they pay in fines you are gonna take a hit.
     
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