Comparing old 10/8 HOS to New 11/10

I miss when we could split our time. Used to love running 5 and 5 or 5 and 4. Didnt have to worry as much about truckstops and such. The 34 is nice. Bout the best part of the new. Be safe out there drivers.

 

Where the problem comes in is where drivers have loading or unloading delays . Suppose you got to a receiver at 7 p.m. but didn't get unloaded until midnight . Then you start at 10 a.m. , are told to drive 4 hours then take your 10 hour break because you have to load at midnight then run 400 miles for an 11 a.m. delivery . Then unloaded by 2 p.m. , told to take your 10 then start at midnight again . How would that work for you ?

 

I drive tired more now than I did then.. 34 hour reset is the only good thing about it.. all the crap you posted other than that is just that.. When I start out after 3 days at home the first day is the toughest.. I always get fatigued after about 6 hours of driving.. under the old rules I would stop and sleep for 3 or 4 get up and finish my 10 and then take a full 8... Then from that point on I was great..

Now I start out get fatigued after 6 to 7 hours and finish my 11 so I don't screw up and go into violation.. If you look at the recent studies more accidents and deaths have occured under this rule..

In my opinion any law that forces you to work when you are tired is worthless.. The old rule worked for better than this new hos regs. I can not see any benefit outside of the 34 hour reset. The old law was bad, but this new one is far worse and has killed for more people than it has saved. Parents against tired truckers has that blood on their hands for the law of unintended consequences.

 

What records are you looking at ?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/oira_2126/2126_10072011-5.pdf
Bear in mind the legal driving limit from 1991 to 2002 was 10 hours . Drivers driving in the 11th hour may also have been driving beyond the 15 hour limit .

https://www.truckinsurance.com/pdf/safety/DriveTimesWinter2011.pdf
Now suppose supplying a customer requires 53 hours of driving . Driving 11 hours a day the work can be done in 5 days . Driving 10 hours a day the driver would have to drive the most dangerous 3 hours a 6th day .

 

I previously drove from 89 till early 96. I did not drive commercially again until Aug 2011. I saw the changes and HOS rules that were 'supposed' to be enforced when the CDL first came out. As I look back, I cant remember ever being scrutinized or even questioned (EVER) about my HOS or even asked to look at my logs before I gave it up in 96. State officers were more interested in the safety and condition of your rig (Over weight, tires, lights, brakes etc) back then.

Back then I drove until I felt tired. If I was close to my delivery I might push on another hour or 2 to make it there. I never once abided by the 10/8 rule like I do now with the 11/10 rule today. Hell, I rarely ever kept my log book up to date back then. So I honestly cant compare. Truth is that I work for a company that unspokenly requires you to bend, twist, fabricate, alter, edit, (what ever you want to call it) the log books and rules in order to get loads delivered on time.

I mean hell,.. back in the early 90's when you delivered product to a warehouse (That they ordered) they unloaded you as soon as you rolled in (Most of the time). Now these independent crooks moved in and want to charge you to unload their product. Its like ordering something off Ebay, the UPS guy delivers it to your house. But wait,.. you tell the UPS guy that he cant bring it to your door, but for a nominal fee you will take it off his truck for him. Same concept. What I want to know is, who was the first fool who thought it was a good idea to start paying these crooks. Com checks were used to pay for fuel and your payroll. Not pay to unload your truck.

I can say this. I am more tired now while driving under the 11/10 with a 34 rule set then I ever was when I was driving under my own schedule back in the 80's and 90's.

Hurst

 

Good points, Rick, but the federal driving limit was 10 hours in a 24-hour day from 1939 to 1962. In 1962, the ICC changed that to 10 maximum driving hours after 8 continuous hours off duty and/or in the sleeper. So drivers could legally put in almost 16 driving hours in 24 if they had hours and hadn't maxed out their 70 (or 60).

 

Correct,

we used to max out the hours in 4 1/2 -5 days,

then be home for a long weekend everyweek.....

 

if the op thinks the new rules are better. he's just kidding himself.

there was absolutely nothing wrong with the old rules. throwing in a 34 would have been bonus to the old rules.

myself, like the rest of the posts. drive better with the old rules.

i can see why accidents are up. specially with more companies using the box.

not being able to stop the clock is a stupid idea. but hey, at least you can still take a 2 hour break.

and yes, logs were very rarely looked at with the old rules. even during iinspections. now that accidents havve risen. logs are more scrutinezed.

and no, i don't have statistics. but i don't think i ever saw an upside down truck when i first started.

i see 2 a month these days. but of course, others will chime in and say they saw as much back then as they do now. if not more back then.