2013 and beyond-Part 2: Downspeeding

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  1. PeteSalesGuy

    PeteSalesGuy Light Load Member

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    The 2013 emissions have begat a new engine term: Downspeeding. Downspeeding is the way to improved fuel economy that is projected at 1-1.5% for the 2013 emisions engines. This will apply to the Cummins ISX15 "Family 1" engines as well as the PACCAR MX13 engines (save for the 500HP version that is new for 2013).

    The downspeed is 100 RPM at cruise, i.e. the engines are designed and programed for max fuel economy at 100 RPM less than the 2010 versions. Peak torque will now start at 1000 RPM, again down the RPM band from the previous versions. As a result new, taller gear ratios will be offered by the axle manufacturers to allow your chosen cruise speed to happen in the 1200-1450 range.

    This applys to linehaul applications only, not vocational trucks, etc. We will be looking at axle ratios that a few years ago would not have been considered and in fact did not exist!
     
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  3. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    The tallest I've seen is 2.47. They're going to have to offer even taller gears if a guy wants to run 60+ with a direct drive.
     
  4. 98989

    98989 Road Train Member

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    we already have it for several years in europe

    and yes it really works and in our conditions(driving often off highway urban areas....) difference is not only 1-1.5% as you say but much more because such truck is no longer aggressive so it prevent bad drivers to waste fuel, those trucks are necessary with automated transmission because you have to shift it more often


    this makes also some bad things like more load on engine which could reduce its lifespan but also there is lot less rotation and less friction

    so already for 5-6years there are trucks which cruise at 1100rpm or lower



    scania have fleet of their own trucks which have diff ratio of 2.07:1 and they cruise below 1000rpm




    this is what i dont like here here every new generation of engines have lower and lower sweet spot , but this applies to all trucks not just long haulage so off road trucks suffer of this = they also get faster diff ratio so when you compare old trucks from begin of 90s to new one new cant do any seriuos job so there are already trucks with 1150rpm at cruising speed even in construction
     
  5. Cat sdp

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    Pete, are there any major changes on the 013 emissions systems? Or is it just updates and software changes. Tks
     
  6. Sportster2000

    Sportster2000 Road Train Member

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    Petesalesguy, have you been able to drive one of these downsped trucks?

    What you are saying here is spot on about how to drive them. The new style of driving has you shifting at a lower rpm also. I find myself shifting these new engines around 1400 rpm.

    Just wait until the transmission wars start.
     
  7. PeteSalesGuy

    PeteSalesGuy Light Load Member

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    Yes,

    No real hardware added save for DEF quality sensor and sensor for ammonia degradadtion in the SCR. Both monitor the emissions and adjust the ECU accordingly.

    We have not driven a downspeed unit yet although they are in production already. Yes, the "sweet spot" has moved downward and progressive shifting is being encouraged to improve economy. Also, the driver manuals for the new engines want you to hold a gear and lug some on a grade rather than downshift so long as you don't drop below the torque peak.

    I agree that improved transmission technology will be the next big improvement in trucking. it has lagged behind engines and aero advancements so it will happen. More automated units and less power loss on all the transmissions is likely.
     
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  8. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    What are they doing to deal with the torsional vibrations running that low? That can cause some problems down the driveline.
     
  9. PeteSalesGuy

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    I was at a customer's location last week with our Eaton rep to upgrade the programming on an Ultrashift trans and on the way we talked about that issue. Eaton specs the SPL driveline which is machined shaft rather than the cast unit, they are also adding an additional carrier bearing on some wheelbases where it would not normally be required. The axle manufacturers all have "high performance, low torsional vibration" differentials and those will used in increasing numbers to combat any torsional issues.

    It really is fine mix of parts to make this stuff work well...................
     
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    Personally I find it much more enjoyable and comfortable driving a nice truck low in the RPMs with all of the torque down low. Easier to walk it through the gears up a hill as well.
     
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  11. JarradS

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    In other words, a "my 12 speed auto is better than your 12 speed auto" pissing match
     
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