I am not a frequent user of Ebay but I have recently purchased a used Kenwood Ts2000 so that I can have the use of all the bands. If you know anything about these radios, they are not cheap so I am selling multiple radios to offset the money I spent.
I am selling three radios and one of them was my Ranger 2950. It was on Ebay for a little over a day and then I got a random message frolm someone asking me what the first three numbers of the serial number was. I didn't think about it and told him. I know these radios are technically "illegal" but it hadn't even crossed my mind and I have only used it for 10 meters anyway. But, within an hour of answering this guy, my item was deleted and i received an email about how the radio was illegal in the US. Now I wasn't born yesterday and I figure this guy must have reported the item to Ebay...
The fishy part is the same guy all of sudden starts sending me emails to my personal email address asking to buy the radio. He is constantly sending me emails with prices to pay and now he is wanting to buy the 2950 AND my Galaxy 2547 for only $300. (That made me laugh) but! I find it a little strange. It almost sounds like the guy is a confidential informant for the FCC or something and wants me to sell him the Ranger so I can be charged with something. I know that sounds crazy but this guy is weird!
What do you guys think? I don't think I am going to sell him radio. He is asking to pay me directly through PayPal but he is creeping me out a little... Something sounds fishy to me.
Fishy Ebay situation about Ranger 2950...
Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by Corn Field, Nov 15, 2012.
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i would just send his emails to the spam folder and leave it at that, i learned along time ago to trust your gut.
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Relist it. If it gets pulled again, tell Ebay that you are being harassed by someone wanting you to sell to them off auction.
Provided you do have a ham license, be sure to tell them you have one, give your call, and be sure to state that these radios are legal for use on the ham bands. And whatever you do, do NOT mention CB in your ad! -
That was my mistake. I did list it as a CB and 10 meter radio. I knew that that was considered illegal but didn't even think about it when I listed it. So, I can understand them taking it off but the weird thing was that it happened within minutes of this guy sending me a message. So, I guess it is partly my own fault but it might have squeaked by if this guy wouldn't have reported it. I don't even use it on the CB bands. I would use it to listen to beacons and I listened to a couple of nets but other than that, that was about it.
I just hooked the thing up for 10 meters. I've had the radio laying around for over a year. -
If you relist be sure to show in a pic a 10m frequency on the radio's digital display..
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If i'm not mistaken,,,and I'm not..."any signal legaly sent, may be legaly recieved by anyone." This is a rough quote from the fcc rulebook.
This is also why radar detectors are legal. FMCSA and other agencys make them illegal in a CMV, but not the fcc.
This is also why my linear amp connected to my CB is perfectly legal, as long as I don't transmit. For the record "I only use the pre-amp for recieving officer!"
Only way anyone could charge you with anything is if they could prove that you transmitted with an illegal transmitter.
How someone uses that radio is up to them. I'm not a lawyer but you haven't commited any crime offering that radio for sale.
Like was said above,,,I'd complain to ebay about this creep, you can get with your email server and have him blocked, or mark his mails as "spam" & you'll never hear from him again.Last edited: Nov 15, 2012
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Corn Field,
Looks like you got caught in a sorta double trap by an opportunistic eBay sniper: first he ratted you out to eBay for listing an item that is in violation of their policy for radio gear, and *then* he followed up with the off-auction "offer".
I'd do the steps listed above by others, starting with reporting him to eBay as harassing you. Then relist the radio, with a pic showing a valid 10 meter freq between 28.300 and 28.500 on the display (unless it's capable of CW -- I dunno). In your new ad, say only that it is a 10 meter (or 10 and 12? Again, I dunno) *amateur* radio. If you wanted to risk limiting your pool of potential buyers, you could even say that you'll only sell to licensed ham ops, details to be worked out via emails, etc. That way you can still sell to whomever you want.
One other thing about your ad may get it pulled anyway, and that's because the model number is widely perceived as an "illegal CB" and therefore unlawful for operation by *anyone* in the U.S. "Spirited discourse", rife with opinions, has ensued on the forum by people without law degrees. So I wrote to the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau for a definitive answer about both that question and about continued use of the older 23 channel "Type Accepted" CBs that may no longer be manufactured. It took two weeks to hear that 23 channel rigs are still OK to use -- yippee.
The first answer I got to my answer about licensed hams using the so-called illegal CB radios on ham freqs came back with an insubstantial answer, so I resubmitted it with different wording, and I do not as yet have a "good" answer. As soon as I do, however, I'll make good on my promise I made to publish their answer.
In the meantime, though, eBay does seem to be pretty sticky about erring on the side of caution, and an awful lot of Connex and Ranger radio listings seem to disappear. I tried to sell a 2510 a couple of years ago; the ad lasted two days until I was told it was in violation. I sold it at a hamfest instead.
@twolane:
I believe you are incorrect about not being incorrect. The FCC has pretty broad enforcement powers, and their Administrative Law Judges have, as I understand it, the same level of sentencing power (that's probably the wrong term) as a Federal Appeals Court Judge. There are many things which, although legally transmitted, are unlawful to receive. Some examples are:
cordless telephones; cellular telephones, whether analog or digital; paging signals; mobile telephones (besides cellular, like MTS/IMTS); any scrambled/encrypted transmission.
You're allowed to have a scanner that will receive pretty advanced transmission protocols, like P25 digital or LTR trunking, as long as they're not scrambled on top of it.
The "sorta-test" for whether you're allowed to receive it is intuitive: If the parties to the conversation have a reasonable expectation of privacy, like police using radios that they *know* have AES encryption built into them, OR devices that the lay public has no expectation of knowledge of the technology for, like wireless phones or digital pagers, OR if the people who receive what you're hearing have to pay to hear or see it (satellite TV, cable, Sirius, etc.) and you find a way around it, then it's generally unlawful.
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/interception-and-divulgence-radio-communications
So it might be the state, like Virginia, who says you can't have a radar detector, but you still can't have it. And the FCC is has been happy to publish the enforcement actions against offenders (CB, amateur, commercial -- basically anyone who interferes with others, if they have time & budget to track down).
But as for having an amplifier actually powered up while you're talking to the nice enforcement officer?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.411 is a cite of the section itself;
http://www.fcc.gov/document/michael-w-perry-0 is an example where "on the premises" and "warm to the touch" cost a guy lotsa $$$ a few months ago.
Of course, YMMV.
Drive carefully & 73,
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1. You have an amateur radio license.
2. The "station" works on amateur frequencies.
If those two conditions are met, then it's an amateur station, and amps are legal. The fact that it *can* be used illegally is irrelevant; they'd have to *prove* you did so.
If not, section 95.411 says otherwise. If you have an amp in your possession, and "other evidence" that you have operated with higher than legal power (and it's a safe bet that being hooked up and operational will be considered "other evidence"), then you can be in real trouble.
"Real trouble" meaning FCC fines of up to $75,000; Federal court fines of $10,000 plus $500/day of violation. Given how hungry the Federal government will soon be for money, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find enforcement being ratcheted up significantly. -
OK Handlebar & MsJamie,,,I'll stand corrected. Thanks for the gentle "tune-up".
I believe that what you refer to would be called "intent". If it's connected in-line, that could be "intent" tho unless they catch me actually transmitting on it,,there's no case. That's whats illegal. Not owning it or even selling it for that matter.
Also in 1972 I got my CB licence (KYBT8792) and since then have never seen the fcc enforce anything 11 meters. Not even the CB shops, truckwashes,polish shops, Chitown mega base stations, etc. The fcc turned its back on the 11 mtr. band enforcement a long time ago.
Maybe fcc regs. have changed since 1972 for 11 mtrs.
Handlebar, you are absolutely right about the celphone freq's ( listening without permission would be unauthorised) but last time I checked,,,ya didn't need a licence to use a celphone. Again...any signal legally sent may be legally recieved by anyone.
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twolane Thanks this.
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