Range Resources "Rig Traffic, No Engine Brakes"

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by Trashtrucker1265, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. Trashtrucker1265

    Trashtrucker1265 Road Train Member

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    I don't do much rig work, but I do service 6 rigs in Western PA (Marcellus Shale) on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Now I'm from Florida, I've worked here while my wife was in nursing school, and I'm still working here for a while until we can move back home, so hills aren't my thing but I've learned to adapt. Now as the title says, Range Resources does what they can to appease the locals around their drilling pads, but I for one think it's absolutely ridiculous to ask us as drivers to not use our engine brakes because of the apparent nuisance to the neighbors, who most typically are out in the middle of nowhere PA. I drive a 5,000 gallon, non-baffled tri axle and I don't usually deliver all 5,000 gallons, so the surge coming out of these well pads is horendous and between jaking, and braking I'm usually able to maintain a pretty decent descent without beating the hell out of myself, now do this without the engine brake and it can get kind of hairy.

    I guess what I'm getting at is, would these residents rather hear my engine brake for a few minutes, or risk me coming out of these well pads without it and bombing down the hill in to their front porch, remember I am from FLORIDA? Anyone else have any insite?
     
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  3. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Put some #### mufflers on the trucks to quiet the noise coming from the trucks. What gets the neighborhoods PO'd are the guys with the straight pipes who come down the hills with their jakes rattling the windows....whereas with a stock exhaust on the truck the engine brake is barely noticeable. They think it sounds cool...but nobody else wants to listen to their noise, so communities start doing what they can to stop the noise. We fight the same thing all of the time in the motorcycling community, too....knuckleheads with the "loud pipes save lives" attitude make a ton of noise, which reflects negatively on motorcycles in general, which leads communities to look into banning ALL motorcycles rather than just the offending noise-makers. If there wasn't a problem, there would be no need for a solution to be found...and usually, the people searching for the solution have little-to-no experience with the problem, so banning what they see as the cause is easy.

    As for your situation, I'd either look into putting a quieter exhaust on the truck so that I could use the engine brake without anyone really noticing it is being used....or learn to be smoother on the brakes to avoid the surge. Try going slower...in a lower gear...so that the engine will do a better job holding you back without the jakes. Light, constant pressure on the brakes to control your speed instead of stabbing at them to reduce your speed. Of course if you're going to be riding your brakes, slower speeds will help keep them from overheating as quickly, too.

    Or, you could just run down the hill full steam ahead and ram through somebody's house....and then use the opportunity to claim that you would have been able to maintain control if only the use of your jakes hadn't been prohibited by the community....:biggrin_25526:
     
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  4. Trashtrucker1265

    Trashtrucker1265 Road Train Member

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    Well in my defense, I'm smooth on the brakes, and the exhaust is muffled, but the western PA well roads are terrible; they're in terrible shape, beat to hell, and I've been running this truck for a year and the surge is a hard thing to control and I consider myself pretty good at operating smoothly. I guess what I was getting at is there has to be some sort of agreement with everyone, the drivers, the community, the oil representatives. I've never been in an oil community before, half of the community (who's getting lease money) loves us, and waves and all that good stuff, and the other half (who just missed out on lease rights) can't stand us, they wave but it's a 1 fingered salute most of the time.

    I just sit back and listen to some of these people, Shale has helped out Washington PA greatly in my opinion, but the truth is it will be gone one day and it's going to be a test to see how communities like this rebound, or sustain. Like I said it's a love/hate relationship, but I guess it's that way around the country in all these new boomtowns.
     
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  5. Grouch

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    This could be stated about the whole state. Also, don't expect the snow plows and salt shakers when bad weather hits. Pa. is one of the worse state to clean their roads in the winter.
     
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  6. NavigatorWife

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    In 2008 so many states had run out of money to even salt the roads. Michigan was one of them, they didn't expect it to be such a snowy year so they didn't set a lot of money aside for it and when it all the bad weather hit they used up all of the supplies.

    With the states now going broke everywhere I can imagine that salt isn't going to be on the top of the list to buy if they can get away with it.
     
  7. snowwy

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    i'm waiting for any state to get sued from an accident becuase of nigligence of salting there highways.

    as for the loud motorcycle. you've either never driven a bike or don't have much years.
    idiots are out there. they dont pay attention. if a loud pipe is what it takes to get them to notice me. then i'll take the noise.

    as for the trucks though. again. IDIOTS. i like loud but not semi's loud. that's just a little ridiculous.
     
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  8. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    I've been riding bikes since I turned 18 and bought my first street bike. I put over 20,000 miles on that bike in 2 years, then traded it in on a bigger bike. 27,000 miles on that one in another 2 years...then I got my CDL and my 2-wheel miles dropped. I still ride occasionally, just nowhere near 10-15K miles per year that I used to ride....all with the stock exhaust on the bikes...and I've never been run over due to the fact that my exhaust isn't annoyingly loud. This year will be my 15th year riding in the Chicagoland Toys for Tots motorcycle parade...so I guess you could say I've been riding a few years.

    The problem with your "loud pipes save lives" theory is that the tailpipe is projecting the noise in the wrong direction....annoying anyone behind you whom you have already passed, but unnoticeable to those you are approaching. I also drive a truck with no AC, which means in the summer time (when bikes are more commonly out on the road), I can tell you that it doesn't matter HOW loud the exhaust is, I cannot hear it until they are next to my drives....which means they had to pass 40-50 feet of trailer before their "noise" becomes noticeable. If I haven't seen them by then, we're BOTH doing something wrong. Besides that, most newer cars do a fairly decent job at blocking out exterior noise...so when they are driving down the road with the windows up, stereo playing, kids screaming in the back seat, etc....they can't hear you anyway. You'd do better learning how to position yourself within the lane to maximize visibility, and avoiding hanging out in people's blind spots than you would placing the loudest exhaust ever made onto your bike and ignorantly riding with your head up your rear thinking the loud pipes are enough to announce your presence.

    All loud pipes do, whether on a truck or on a bike, is cause people who live in areas near the roads you ride to look into ways to cause the nuisance the are experiencing to stop....and that usually involves banning the offending vehicle type or equipment use.
     
  9. Logan76

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    I've spent a couple of years in your shoes man...if your truck has mufflers then use your jakes unlesds you see a company man following you or something...when i was doing rig moves my truck had straight pipes with no mufflers whatsoever and i usually kept my jakes off near houses or residential areas...


    You hit the nail on the head with the love hate relationship...especially down in Washington area...
     
  10. SHC

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    I agree, the only time i ever really use my jake is when I get behind a 4-wheeler that can't maintain a reasonable speed or is texting and I keep running up on their ### even when I'm going 5mph BELOW the speed limit. A rap on an open muffled jake usually gets their attention and gets them moving down the road LOL
     
  11. EZX1100

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    banning jakes is understandable because of noise

    but some of those PA hills are 7-10%, you can heat up brakes pretty bad without jakes
     
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