Option to Trade bio monitoring for more driving hours?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by The Progressive, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. ChuckK70

    ChuckK70 Light Load Member

    98
    72
    Dec 23, 2009
    Detroit, MI
    0
    That would be a GREAT way to get experienced drivers to leave this occupation in droves. I'd race y'all to the door. I don't need any more rules trying to dictate to me what to do and when. If I can't be trusted by myself behind the wheel, take me out of the truck. I'll be done.
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. snowblind

    snowblind Heavy Load Member

    775
    636
    Jan 29, 2011
    conover nc
    0
    i never go 8-10 without stopping,but im on paper i can do as i wish
     
  4. amiller

    amiller Medium Load Member

    475
    249
    Nov 26, 2012
    Charlotte, NC
    0
    Terrible idea. More regulations always causes more bad than good. Doctors save lives on little rest, paremedics and firefighters as well. You think cops get enough rest or those that serve in our military. There are too many factors to add up to regulate each humans' needs.

     
  5. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

    19,726
    18,734
    Apr 18, 2010
    Tennessee
    0
    How about a driver working a normal 8 hour work day for $40K a year instead of pushing them to the fine line of exhaustion and controlling them like puppets for the equivalent of minimum wage? We can't have that because the effects on the economy. Control the pay per freight mile equals more money in other people's pockets. Create a shock sensor that zaps the consumer every time they want to buy something. Now stop being greedy! If you want it that bad pay that truck driver for his hard work away from home. Stop forcing him to work long hours just so he can feed his family.
     
    bullhaulerswife Thanks this.
  6. The Progressive

    The Progressive Bobtail Member

    14
    2
    Jan 3, 2013
    0
    Terrible, simplistic idea-- that more regulations always causes more bad than good. It isn't a question of more or less regulation; it's a question of good, effective regulation or bad, ineffective regulation. It's absurd that drivers are limited to 11 hours of driving per day while medical interns are allowed to work 20+ hours straight. While the stress on interns, other than those in the ER, may not be as high as on big rig drivers, I still would not want an intern who hasn't slept in 20+ hours treating me for a potentially fatal condition.
     
  7. The Progressive

    The Progressive Bobtail Member

    14
    2
    Jan 3, 2013
    0
    I generally agree, especially for driving more dangerous semis and hazmat. Experienced drivers should make at least $18- 20 an hour, and trainees should make $12- 15 an hour. But for some runs, longer hours make sense.. teams carrying perishable produce cross-country, and runs that take up to 13 or 14 hours of driving. If younger drivers want to work longer days, why not let them. But they should be required to take at least 32 hours off weekly and 56 hours off every two weeks.
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2013
  8. PackRatTDI

    PackRatTDI Licensed to Ill

    14,765
    22,568
    Jul 15, 2006
    El Chuco, Tejas
    0
    I once offered sexual favors for more driving hours. I even told the scalemaster "me love you long time" but no.dice.
     
  9. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

    1,308
    932
    Sep 10, 2010
    Mississippi
    0
    It's already possible to drive almost 14 hours a day (depending on on-duty not driving time).
    And if the sensors show that breaks are being taken and the driver devotes this time to deep relaxation, but it isn't accomplished, then what?

    A 5-10 minute break actually means 15-20 minutes or more in decreased driving efficiency. Time is needed to slow the truck down, find a place to park, take 5 minutes out of the truck, and then get back on the road and get up to highway speeds. So any way you look at it, you have lost at least an hour, more likely an hour and a half per 11 hr driving shift.

    Just throw something out there in the name of safety and it should fly right? Or how about let's do it for the children, that usually works also.
    The small sensor? You are suggesting something similar to an actigraph, but why not make this as thorough as the Essex study commissioned by the DOT. We could use a Polysomnography during sleep (Only 22 wires hooked to you), an Electroencephalogram (Only 17-21 more wires), Electrooculogram (Sensors at the corners of your eyes), Electromyogram (Sensors on your chin), nasal sensors to verify airflow, respiratory sensors on our chest, an O2 sensor on your finger, PSG (with EEG and EOG only) while driving , infrared ear sensor for temperature and Electrocardiograph probes.

    This ignores one of the conclusions of several studies including the aforementioned Essex study, which concluded time of day was a more prominent factor in decreased performance than hours of driving (time-on-task). It also ignores cumulative fatigue across days of driving until your 32 continuous hrs off. It also ignores the study's conclusions that it's the principal sleep period as the larger factor with intermittent rest periods being almost no factor. It also ignores the study's conclusion that breaks and rest periods actually increased their sleep times in their principal sleep periods and that mid-trip breaks failed to show a statistically-significant recovery effect.

    That's your opinion which does not appear to be based on anything other than what you believe should be true. It also ignores the aforementioned study's conclusion that "there is no quick fix and no single solution to the fatigue problem", and that the loss of driving time due to short breaks is as minimal as you believe, and that it in fact is beneficial as you believe (Which the study says it isn't).

    And I think that when you can get out of the truck, you should do so, but you need to realize that a five minute break actually results in much more lost time/productivity tha five minutes and results in no statistically-significant recovery effect from fatigue.

    Safety, a word that encourages some to believe that almost anything should be done to accomplish it.

    Best regards
     
    not4hire and Bayle Thank this.
  10. The Progressive

    The Progressive Bobtail Member

    14
    2
    Jan 3, 2013
    0
    I guess i have to post something to delete
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2013
  11. HwyPrsnr

    HwyPrsnr Medium Load Member

    471
    344
    Apr 22, 2012
    Anywhere, USA
    0
    Sounds like someone is bored with their life to me. So, now they look at truck drivers/trucking industry and THINK they have all the answers. They are truely clueless...lol. Be safe out there drivers.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.