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Best Anti Gel Suggestions?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Blanche, Jan 14, 2013.

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  1. Jan 15, 2013 #21
    milskired

    milskired Road Train Member

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    So I guess when adding in additives and changing cetane levels has no effect on that... one or multiple holes in a nozzle can become clogged for many reasons not just high cylinder temps. Most people add gasolune into home made vegioil fuel and run that in a diesel motor. So then what are your thoughts on JP-8?
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2013 #22
    milskired

    milskired Road Train Member

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    As for the lubricity of diesel now, yeah it is lower hence the ULSD label.... the purpose of sulfur was that, to lubricate injectors and nozzles and internals of injectors.
     
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  4. Jan 15, 2013 #23
    Tonythetruckerdude

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    Not gonna argue, I didn't do it for over thirty years and got along fine...but with your 2 years in the industry, well...carry on
     
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  5. Jan 15, 2013 #24
    Blanche

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    10 degrees in York Nebraska this AM. No additive but idled half the night.
    Hope everyone has a good driving day!
     
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  7. Jan 15, 2013 #25
    milskired

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    Didnt know that only a class 8 rig has a diesel engine.... been around HEUI injection systems for a lot longer then ive been driving a truck and it works for them just fine and has not damaged it either. Then again I have 2 years in the industry so I'm clueless....
     
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  8. Jan 15, 2013 #26
    KyleTexas

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    Life Insurance for mixing Diesel and Gas? .... Wow ... Hey, just spew a bunch of nonsense because you felt like it today. Mixed at a 1% rate.. like 1 gal/gas in 100gals/diesel.. or 2 gals/gas in 200/gals of diesel.. a 1 to 100 mix you won't even know it's there.. truck will run no different. It does provide a measure of anti gel and if you're in the boondocks where there is no additive this is a viable method you can use to save your butt.

    Just for grins ... I googled "gas and diesel fire" "gas and diesel explosion" .. gee, no results.. like there was ever a doubt. I was a gashauler for 10 years and have seen worse mixes than 1% being sold at the local pump.. I've also witnessed serious cross dumps where a driver poured gas down the diesel hole.. problematic, yes, nothing life threatening... diesel is one of the more forgiving fuels.
     
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    milskired Thanks this.
  9. Jan 15, 2013 #27
    25(2)+2

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    Anti-gel has been around for a long time, John Deere used to sell something called pour point enhancer, basically what anti-gel does. The shop I drive from is buying product from Northland Oil, same stuff as sold by John Deere.

    The blends are good to roughly the same degrees minus mid-thirties Fahrenheit at 70/30 to 80/20 percent ratio of No.1 to No.2 and kerosene can be substituted for No.1 in a oil fired heater, they are close enough to the same. Treated diesel is sold with anti-gel already added, I noticed the TAs in northeast IL are selling winterized fuel, and the premium diesel fuels are also usually treated.

    Jet fuel is something I never had the occasion to be around, and adding gas, well I have heard of it, but if the engine has problems under warranty, the manufacturer will be after whoever is to blame for covering any damage should it occur and they can prove the fuel was contaminated. Getting low sulfur fuel from a pump labeled ULSD and being proved could cost a supplier. No warranty and then if it blows up, you're on your own anyway.

    Sulfur is part of the wax in diesel, and that was the lubricity, I guess; it also makes sulfur oxides and sulfuric acid when burned, engineers have for years been telling users to use lower sulfur fuels, and sulfur is what raised the soot in the exhaust , more sulfur means more soot and DPFs had too much to do to clean up after that.

    All DPF engines require ULSD for that reason among others.
     
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  10. Jan 15, 2013 #28
    Cranky Yankee

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    as drivers i find we tend to baby our engines more then the mechanics
    I had a mechanic once fill a fuel filter with power service then start the engine
    put it right up to 1700 rpms after spending 3 days rebuilding it
    as the engine sounds like it is gonna blow up and i am having a heart atrtack
    he says " I guess we blew all the crud out of those injectors now" :biggrin_2556:
     
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  11. Jan 15, 2013 #29
    lester

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    I had a mechanic fill my fuel filter with automatic transmission fluid once. I really doubted that thing was gonna fire but it did.
     
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  12. Jan 15, 2013 #30
    25(2)+2

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    I used ATF 1 time to prime an inverted spin on fuel filter on an M-11 Cummins in a Volvo, it does work,and some will add ATF to fuel for lubricity.

    Not a good solution for gelling, though.
     
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