i have gelled before with #2 at -30. I will normally run number 2 if temps are suppose to be staying above 0. if temps are going to be below 0 i top off with #1 if i have full tanks of #2 and a sudden drop in temps ill add some power service or howes. i learned the hard way about #2 in sub 0 temps when i went from 40's durring the day when i fueled to well below 0 at night. by the time i got pulled into a truck stop the truck would barely keep idling. added 911 after the truck died out and had to be towed to a heated shop where we let the truck sit over night and it fired right up in the morning.
Fuel Additive for winter
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If it's 10 degrees above I'll run additive but any colder than that and I blend in some #1. You can ad all the anti-gelling additive you want but at the end of the day the best additive to keep from gelling is #1 fuel, yes it's more expensive than #2 but it's cheaper than a wrecker bill, the cost of your down time and potentially freezing to death. All you have to do is gell up once and you'll become a firm believer in #1 fuel.
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When I worked in Edmonton we had winter grade fuel as soon as it started getting cold, and trucks that ran north got arctic grade, it looks like white gas. Trucks use to carry a jug of methyl hydrate for the air systems and they would add it to the fuel tank. You can not use it in the newer engines the water is emulsified and will get past the fuel filtration system and can damage the injectors.
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I have been running the Amsoil for years and never had a problem and we have seen -40F and never had a problem....
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Updating this thread. I went ahead and purchased the XLP fuel additive. So far this winter there have been no problems whatsoever. The truck started up with no fuel problems at all. One 11 degree morning after she huffed and puffed a little, everything ran great.
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Adding to the thread, truck stops do deal with problems on the fueling side,if they know about them.
I haven't fueled at a Petro recently, but the TAs have added an additive to the fuel, first time I noticed was literature on the fuel desk at a couple of them and on the pump at another in MI.
The additive is supposed to address gelling and icing and add lubricity.
Kwik Trips in WI and MN, (KwikStar in IA) have a premium diesel with anti gel added available at most locations, and other places sell it as well. A few smaller outlets have above ground storage; these places have to address storage issues and add fuel enhancers as a matter of course.
I haven't had much trouble with bio or ULSD lately, it seems the solvent properties of both knocked some of the contamination in the older tanks loose. (storage and on the truck) There were issues with earlier bio, but most of those seem to have been resolved. I have a gallon of concentrate in the side box in case I'd hit some minus 20s but haven't used any yet this winter, for what that is worth. I fuel in IL mostly with bio blends and elsewhere as needed. Poorest quality was at the local place, that's why I go to the next town to a Kwik-Star if I need fuel. The bio is thinned with methanol, that should disperse water as well as long as it is fresh.
The new DD engines address water in the fuel with a Davco 462(100k element replacement) and a water separator on the engine itself, one advantage of the newer designs is that I have seen no evidence of water in the fuel. It's 15 degrees, the truck hasn't been run since Thursday morning, I'll look into the tanks with a flashlight to see if the fuel is reaching the cloud point.Vampire Thanks this. -
wind chill has no effect none zero nada
it is a made up formula by weather people
for how cold your skin feels
fuel has no feelings
i have posted scientific articles on this 3 times this winter will do it again if you need it -
windchill is too a factor.
It helps determine how FAST something will cool off.
It won't have a cooler temp, but it will cool faster.
You will never cool lower than ambient. But it will sure cool to that temp as if it were colder. -
it doesnt go from 50 to -10 in a half hour
http://www.csscientific.com/files/myths.pdf
here is a good linkaiwiron Thanks this. -
yop, we can both find articles to support our claim.
Windchill is how fast a wind will cool a thing off.
If you look into a 10 mph wind, you will get a frost bite faster than if you protect your bare skin.
http://www.learner.org/interactives/weather/act_windchill/
never said it would get colder than ambient. It's not possible without refrigeration.
It will just REACH ambient temps faster if it is exposed to wind.
Same as blowing on a spoon full of hot coffee or tea.Vampire Thanks this.
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