A slow-pitch for you heavy hitters...

yes

14hr rule starts when you start

7pm-9am is your 14 hrs

it doesnt matter what day you start on

theres a rule about 8hrs in sleeper but im not sure

but just figure 14hrs from 7pm or what ever time you start

ALSO: you drove over your 11hrs also

 

There is an exception to the 14 hrs. that is due to weather or some other delay like road closed due to accident, and if you return to the same home terminal each day, you may exceed the 14 hour only by 2 hours one time per week

 

He would be illegal at 9 am (14 hour rule), and for driving over 11 at 10 am. The 4 hour sleeper berth did nothing for him. The most it would have "counted" for is 2 hours of a split sleeper, or the first 4 hours of an 8 or 10. If he would have gotten the extra 4 hours in the sleeper for the 8, he would have been fine, except for the 2 extra driving hours.

Now, if you wanted to try the "crazy weather" exception, then that would allow you 16 hours, but you would still only be allowed 11 driving. That would still have had him illegal at 11 am. Unless it's an unexpected storm (tornado), I don't think you can get away with it. Maybe a blizzard...

All the off duty time prior to starting the duty status would have really made no impact on this scenario. Another thing not mentioned was the 15 minute pre-trip, but that wouldn't have affected the drive time. Either way, DOT would shut you down for 10 if caught, and your log clerk would violate you as well.

The only solution to this situation would have been a second sleeper berth of 8 hours, or a 10 hour off duty/sleeper period.

 

The "weather" rule you're thinking of does NOT allow for accidents. Traffic delays will not get you out of an HOS violation.

The "16 hour rule" has several conditions that must be met. One of the most important ones being that you cannot have any Off Duty or Sleeper time. You have to be a "local" route driver who starts and finishes his day at the same terminal every day. You can only use it once a week, unless you have a 34 hour restart in between uses. You must also have been "local" with no sleeper/off duty time for at least 5 trips (not days). You can not exceed 11 hours of drive time, either.

 

Yep...10 hours.

 

10. even though you still have 3 hrs left on your 14, you already used your 11 and can't drive again until a 10hr brk. If you had driving time left , you could go 8 hrs in sleeper. I was told that the 8 hours has to come first, then later on you can take 2. But not in this case. You need 10

 

now, the next bit of bull- this is based on questions I asked of the colorado state commercial enforcement guys during a class on the new hours.

IF you split your sleeper time, you MUST finish the balance of the 10 hours IN THE SLEEPER. my question was what if i took a nap, then finished the run, and parked in front of my house?
the answer was yes, i was legally required to sleep IN THE SLEEPER, i could not go into my house to sleep (on paper at least)