I agree, USHIP sucks.

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by PowerWagon, Feb 18, 2013.

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  1. BSTT450

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    This thread is really getting intense! :biggrin_2559: RickG, you have a lot of experience in this industry, PowerWagon is making some great points, can you (or the "majority of experienced haulers") give more insight on why you think his notion has little value? It is large scale economics, but it seems probable. Why are so many O/O's so down on the industry? If it is so horrible that you only break even week after week why keep doing it? Every O/O I have talked to on a face to face basis has told me "if your willing to work you can make a great living." And from the looks of their rigs it seems true.
     
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  3. truckon

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    Must O/O are working paycheck to paycheck, just watch how most of them go out of business when there truck breaks down, I also know very few who've been around more then a few years..
     
  4. PowerWagon

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    Just so you know, I"m talking in relatively generic terms about markets, marketing, and competition.

    And, NO GOOD IDEA IS EVER CREATED that doesn't need to be tested against critics and skeptics. Those are who point out what they see as flaws, and who help hone the concept by asking questions and making criticism.

    I invite both. Please.
     
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    Most small businessmen live paycheck to paycheck, or month to month, whatever the case is.

    This is a ubiquitous problem...among all people, be they truckers, mechanics, or even regular employees. Far too few make provisions for their future and live judiciously. And I have been among those almost all my life.
     
  6. BSTT450

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    I understand what you are talking! You make some great points. In the large picture though your talking about changing how LTL hauling is coordinated, in turn increasing mileage rates. Changing a market this large involves large scale economics to accurately get Supply and Demand to meet at a level sustainable for all parties. You previously speak of independents falling to large corporations due to many factors, but that shouldn't be the case if you created your plan. I have a family friend that hauls LTL/Hotshot with his pickup independently and he makes a great living by getting his own work (Granted he travels to places most won't). This system you speak of sounds like it would really get things rolling better...if people start to believe there is more out there than answering to a dispatcher. I am learning more and more about this as I go but I feel I really won't learn the truth until I get out and do it.
     
  7. PowerWagon

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    Here's how I approach everything like this: I look for something that gives me a leg up of some kind. Whether it is having a friend in it, or having some advantage that other people don't, or understanding or learning it faster than others.

    It's all competitive out there, and if you just jump in, doing exactly what everyone else is, you're going to get eaten, at least for a while. Me, if I need to do this, I think I need something or somethings that is or are different and push the odds more into my favor than the "conventional" approach. You cannot take the exact same approach to competing in a market that others are. You need that one thing or more than one thing that moves the odds into your favor... Oh, wait, that's not quite right. The odds are NOT the favor of anyone starting. At least you need to get them less against you than they would be otherwise.

    I have a background in IT, Diesel Mechanics, and some other things, and my whole life, I've been a "find and fix the problem" kind of person. I think outside the box, and often think conceptually. I've now been thinking about this idea of "adjusting" a market to favor the independents for some time.

    I'm thinking that if I get into it for a while, having up close and personal experience, it will broaden my depth of understanding, which would help refine the ideas in my head. I also may need a job. And I'm fifty. My resume for the last 26 years consists of being a diesel guy - and I can't go back to that - and running my own high-tech business. Or, in other words, I have no resume to speak of, except self employment and no degree of any kind in anything I know or have in depth knowledge of.

    Drive? I know how to do that. I have driven everything from a 50's 2-1/2 ton truck to heavy equipment, but never as a trucker. And, if I start, I will NOT be in debt, not a cent. I may have someone to work "back office" stuff for me and do dispatch type duties, and I'm looking for other things I move into the "in my favor" column, just in case I have to change careers.
     
  8. RickG

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    powerwagon should just get into politics .
    If he wants to have credibility here he needs to go out and succeed for a year using his principles . Talk's cheap . "Been there , done that " gives a lot more credibility .
    Many O/O's stay in it even when they are barely surviving because they like the lifestyle and wouldn't be happy doing anything else . Very few claiming to make a great living are willing to show their tax return showing their net income .
     
  9. PowerWagon

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    Seriously, RickG? "Don't listen to him, he's new around here." That's practicing politics.

    In every part of my life, be it self employed or employed by someone else, I have been in the "big guys vs little guys" situation. Other than skills driving a truck, and learning all the regulations and what paperwork to do, there's not that much difference between being a doctor, internet provider, repair shop, logger, and truck driver. Every one of them has the difficulties in competing in large vs small organization. Each has its own set of skills and knowledge unique to it. And every industry has its economics of scale and advantages of scale and the advantages of being small.

    You have never once commented two sentences on the idea of using technological and market tools to improve the competitiveness of the individual owner/operator, or the merits of any other discussion I've been in here, instead you've tried to marginalize my role in every conversation you join. Hey, I might be ignorant to trucking, but since I've been involved in online discussions for well more than two decades, I've seen it all, when it comes to forum politics.
     
  10. RickG

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    Maybe I haven't commented on the merits because I don't see any evidence of merits in small hotshot or expedite operations . I know aeveral successful hotshotters and don't know of any of them using the technological or marketing tools you go on about .
    If you know of a successful hotshotter helped by these methods I'd be interested in hearing his testimonial .
     
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  11. PowerWagon

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    Hmmmm. I'd suggest reading this thread through again, from start to finish. If that doesn't help in this conversation, I guess I just can't get what I want to say across to you.
     
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