Regulations on pretrip anal safety manager Need to bury him…

How can you log a fuel stop on line one?

 

Used to could--just haven't seen Lotta FULL SERVICE fuel stops anymore--but used to b nice just to pull up 2 pump and go in and have coffee
Oh and to the OP:
Before u go disparaging the man for his instructions--HE is the one that has to spend a week w/the DOT auditors answering questions etc..spend that party time with him&YOU will really see what Anal is
Just Sayin

 

Illegally...or he paid a lot lizard to pump it

As far as driving from.station to station to getting fuel, you're driving to get fuel, which means you're driving for work. That's your job, and even if you aren't dispatched on a load you were driving there for fuel. Now, just say you were driving there for breakfast and just happened to get fuel there while performing PTI and it makes it legal. Its all in how you word it. A DOT officer shouldn't question you either way, but if they do, then that's how its legal.

You don't have to be dispatched on a load or be hooked to it to be considered on duty. If you were at home and they sent you out on a load, or said come to the terminal, then that bobtailing would be on duty driving as well because you're going to work. But again, say you wanted to go eat breakfast...well you could bobtail towards the terminal, get breakfast, and then get dispatched from there and you're closer and didn't have to log it.

 

So he's not that anal, you just don't like that he wants you to do things his way (but only when his way isn't your way)

 

Personal conveyance gets many. It boils down to are you advancing work related or did you go shopping and returned to where you were? Then if you live near a terminal it's okay to DH home and back to the terminal on personal conveyance, yes.

The kicker is if you deliver 150 miles from home driving home is not personal conveyance. Why? Because you are advancing towards your next load even though you are going home. If you so happened to drive back 150 miles to where you were then it would be personal conveyance.

Little drives from the truck stop depend on if it's for you or for the company. Do you document fueling or have a shop receipt? Then you have to show how you got there.

Even if you drove from the truck stop 10 miles to Walmart. It would be personal conveyance if you returned to the truck stop where you went off duty. If for some reason you continued your break at Walmart and then went for a load you lost the personal conveyance thingy because you advanced towards your load.

A DOT man has to look at your logbook and figure things out without asking you. You can't mysterious shut down here and magically pop up somewhere else on paper.

I guess another way to say it is personal conveyance will ALWAYS return you to where you went off duty at if traveling was personal only.

 

I understand why some companies do not even allow PC, there are so many misconceptions and monitoring who is using it correctly and who is not is a full time job. When the person enforcing the regulations doesn't understand them it's more confusing. Add to it that some companies may have policies that operate fully in the "grey" and it's understandable while drivers that switch companies are confused and do things the wrong way.

 

PC Personal Conveyance exception is derived from 395.8 Interpretations Question 26:
Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?
Guidance: When a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver’s home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver’s terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver’s en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver’s home, from the driver’s home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier’s Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home.

The only two situations given in Question 26 are:
- 1 - commuting back and forth from HOME
- 2 - short distances to RESTAURANTS in the vicinity of en route lodgings

Popping across town for fuel - Driving
Popping across town (unladen) for a steak dinner - Off Duty - Driving (PC line 5)
Taking the truck in for maintenance - Driving

Being dispatched or not is not relevant.

 

Very good rule of thumb.

PC covers to and from HOME, and to and from LODGINGS. You must return to those locations for it to be PC.

 

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