Coils Question

Yea, a bit hard to see, but I did notice at the top it stated California Highway Patrol. Keep in mind, this may be California regulation, which only apply to California Intrastate shipments, as the Federal DOT, does not regulate intrastate shipments. Nor do any state's intrastate regulations apply to interstate shipments. I do know, in years past, California did not allow coil racks, only wood bunks.

 

My rit has the rating for the rub rail right on the frame rail 6600 lbs per pocket

No seen them egged as it was called, my best friend just did one Monday that he even said was round intill he tighten the over the top chain down....when coils are stacked the are craddeled and weight is pretty equal and its not bouncing down the highway.

have you never retightened your chains after running some...same thing. the coil flexs and settles down and makes your chains loose.

 

6600 PER POCKET. They are talking about guys who hook to the flat piece that runs along the outside of the pockets and spools

 

Maybe we are all talking about different types of coils???

 

yeah... I hadn't heard of this Illinois thing either...

 

Here is a photo that I have posted on various threads before, this one was right around 48,000lbs.

 

That's a big ol' boy there

 

Do you have two chains hooked to the same pocket? The second and third chains. Are there two hooks attached to the same pocket or am I wrong?

 

They do appear to be, but they also all appear to go around pipe spools, before being hooked to the pockets.

 

Good eye. Jumbo is right, Autocar, they go past the spool on the way to "hook" on the pocket. They are not "closed" loops, and two chains hook into each side of a pocket. As I understand, at least the manufacturer ratings, pockets and spools only get their full rating with the chain closed onto itself, not hooked to pockets which aren't rated for that or halved, as the pocket itself is rated for full value, not half of it. I could be wrong, but the last aluminum flatbed I had did have the ratings pasted on the side of the beam, and it, if I remember correctly, halved the working load limit for "hooking" and not "looping"

Thanks for the cites and responding/linking while I was gone. You understood what I was getting at. We're supposed to be trying to make drivers aware of the requirements they are subjected to.... not, as you say, "lunch counter" interpretations..... hopefully drivers will stop passing along personal preference for regulation to people that are asking for help on how to "properly" do things.

I wasn't sure when I posted this, so I went looking and found my Fontaine Operators Manual, and though you're right about the DOT wrap (seems in opposition to the "straps inside the rubrail" reasoning) but the "hook" does lose WLL on aluminum trailers as those used in jxu417's pic. Here is the .pdf, I hope it uploads. (it didn't so I converted it to a .jpg)


Notice after clicking on this and blowing it up to view, that "hooking" to aluminum pocket sides drops the WLL to 4,000 lbs. At 1,400 lbs per chain drop, that securement just lost 8,400 lbs. Even if the other side is secured "looped" it has made the side showing the weakest link, and hence all securement is now rated at only 4,000 lbs WLL per piece. Now steel is another matter, but not for aluminum.

That means that 48,000 lb. coil is secured by just 24,000 lbs securement. Technically legal, but not "over secured" just because it uses 6 chains of large WLL rating.

Just rechecked photo, and it shows two chains this side with loops (the outer chains) so at 6600 (3 / 8" ), that means theoretically that securment is worth 29,200 lbs, but only if the other side isn't "hooked" to a pocket. The front (visible) chain/ratchet on the other side appear to be properly "looped" and gets the full 6600.

Note: Late check, suggests that if that trailer isn't rated for 6600 on a closed loop, those two "looped" chains lose WLL to the amount for that trailer.