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You are right about the post trip. I am in orientation with Tyson right now and he taught us that today actually. I just got out of school and they taught us to do a complete pretrip. But if you read the regs it says the pretrip is just a walk around to satisfy that the truck is ready to roll. The complete inspection is when you shut down, then you dont have as much to inspect before you start a new day.
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Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Fyrstar, Jan 7, 2008.
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Today we took our first test in the classroom on the trailer. TPVs, what the hoses were for, etc.
We swapped papers with each other to grade them, and the guy that did mine was WAY too generous and only marked 1 wrong. I had to regrade it when I got it back and marked 2 others wrong, leaving me with 85% for my first test. Not bad!
We then went out to the range around 10:15am. I've read about this before, but it still sucks...... guess which part?
Observation. Blecch. Pretrip (postrip, whatever you wanna call it)inspection went okay, I think I've gotten the outside down pretty well. Now to get the inside down.
We then learned to pull forward and backup about 20-30 feet each way.
BOOOORIINNNNGGGGG!!! At least we're behind the wheel though.
Today (being it's after 12am when I write this) we're going to take a written test on backing and do something else involving driving. I'm not quite sure what it will be, since we were just told to be sure to have our CDL permits by today. -
you could come up missing a catalytic converter, somebody could cut a hose...who knows what else -
Is anyone else suspicious of a trucking school instructor who on one hand says "run legal", but on the other instructs students how to shave the books?
All of this in the first few days of training. -
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1. Check to make sure no joker has pulled your 5th wheel. I was sitting in a truck stop in Virginia when some guy, parked directly across from me, in a fully loaded grain bucket pulled out of his spot. After he started his turn out of the spot, the trailer came unhooked and slid towards me, stopping just short of hitting the front of my truck. He spent a hell of a long time cranking the trailer back up with the dolly in low gear. On the same note, check the trailer tandem slide pin for the same thing.
2. Especially in the crime ridden big cities, check to make sure you have all your tires and that they're aired up. Someone tried to appropriate the tires off my trailer in Fontana, CA and apparently got interrupted halfway through... half the lug nuts were laying on the ground.
3. Check your air lines/pigtail and trailer lights... you sure don't wanna be running down the road without 'em. -
Actually, I do a walk-around every time I am getting back into the truck - which is several times a day. I do a much more thorough inspection in the morning before that baby ever moves an inch.
I was standing outside of a Union 76 truckstop once, a long time ago. I had just gotten done eating at the restaurant, and was just content to stand there and watch the traffic on the Interstate, which of course was running right by this place and was in full view.
I had to do a doubletake when I saw - wheel with tire - going however fast that truck was going - flying right towards the truckstop. If that thing had hit anyone, someone would have died or been in serious hurt. If it would have hit a car - who knows what would have happened. I never forgot seeing that thing cruising by me at at least 50 mph, probably a lot faster, really coudn't tell - it went off into the darkness and frankly, I don't know WHAT stopped it excepting that there wasn't anything but fields in the direction it was moving. It kinda motivated me to start doing much better inspections.
Another thing I have seen on highways and freeways on occasion are tires on fire. One tire blows, the driver doesn't notice it, it gets hot, hotter, everything gets hot, next thing you know, there are flames shooting out the side of that trailer's tandems. One particular driver I tried to call, flag down, everything. Not sure when he finally stopped, I gave up. Figure after both tires blow out on one axle on the same side, you might start to notice it? lol
I know I've gotten a bit off-topic, but safety should be top priority on any driver's list of things to pay attention to. Some might say doing all those walkarounds and checking everything would be a pain-in-the-***, but when you get into a habit, a routine, of doing things like that, it happens as automatically as you pushing in the parking brake when you stop the truck to park it. -
Just my humble opinion.
I had a driver tell me today he had a level 3 inspection and he was logging the way I told him (although he was not filling out the inspection form, which I would have written him up if I was an officer) and the officer passed him, because most are just looking they have 15 minutes on their line 4 for their pre-trip or post-trip. So that's why no one gets dinged because most drivers do one or the other, however the correct way is the post-trip inspection. -
Okay, I asked my instructor (whom I see has registered on the boards and is now posting ((yay, I should be a saleswoman!))) about the pretrip and postrip. We went through all of the questions on this thread, and here is his instruction on documenting:
When he got his first truck, he did 3 hours on the pretrip, making sure EVERYTHING was right. He does a pretrip AFTER that initial inspection that is cursory, but cursory is still by the book. The post trip inspection is documented, and the pretrip has it's own documentation form on the back of the daily log book.
Phew! You guys really loaded me down with questions to ask him, I actually had to show him the thread and go through the questions one by one. Of course, I was blushing head to toe when he was reading the posts I'd made about the school, but I still am going to write my honest opinions. Like I said, he's an experienced trucker, and I'm sure that comes with thick skin, so he can take it if I say that I don't like something (yes, I know you're reading this so).
DAY 4:
We took two tests today... one on the logbook (we should've taken it day 2, but FedEx didn't deliver the testing supplies until Day 3), and one on backing.
QUESTION!!!!!! Someone help me out here!!!!! How the HELL can I understand PRACTICALLY the concept of steering wheels/backing/trailer direction? Everytime I try to picture it in abstract using blocks, it doesnt work out the same as in practice. Seriously, does anyone else have this much problem figuring it out?
My classmates are showing the same incompetence as I, so I suppose it's normal, but I hate looking stupid regardless.
After our test, we then found out that it is illegal to carry weapons in a commercial vehicle.We were also told that, in New York, if someone slashes our air lines and begins to rob the trailer, DO NOT GET OUT TO STOP THEM!!!! Grab your tire thumper, lock the doors, call for help on your cell, CB, and anything you can. In practice, I think here will be my response: 1)Lock the doors 2)Grab my CB and cell 3)Scream like a baby for someone to save me 4)Hide under all my clothes in the sleeper 5)Start crying like a baby 6)Find my happy place in my mind 7)Wish I had ignored the "no weapons" rule 8)Wish my dog that I have with me was a pitbull 9)Beg the dispatcher on the cell connected to the police to hurry up 10)Order a pizza (which will probably be there before the police).
We also found out that, when backing up during our rookie year, we have to turn off the CB because ya'll get on the radio and tease the hell out of us with comments like, "Look at that rookie! My grandma could do better!"I can't blame you all for that, but I guarantee that if I MUST hit a truck when backing, then I will aim for the person's truck that is teasing me
! Seriously, though, I understand the teasing is part of the initial hazing, and that I'll probably heartily and with great joy participate after I can figure the #### thing out.
Today's range driving was limited to backing up at a 45 degree angle.
Okay, here is my first uneasy feeling (that I was warned about on here). I mentioned it in a previous post in this thread).
We have 9 people in the class, but only two trucks. Can someone say Observation time? Our range instructor decided that, after all in the class left but myself and one other (and it was hardly any waiting; he went, I went, he went, I went). that with one hour left in the class we'd do pretrip again.
I'm like.... um, WTF?!?!?!?!?!? We finally get some serious time in the cab, and now we're going to do pretrip again!??!?!?! I didnt say that, I just asked why. He told me that it was because it was "classroom exercises". Hello!!!! When we're finally getting serious time in the cab, don't tell me that we're going to do something else! I think the other guy was as frustrated as I was, because we ended up chatting, then just left for the day, which was probably what the range instructor wanted anyway. It was starting to rain, so pretrip was out of the question without a raincoat anyway.
We also had a truck just sitting there while all 8 (one didn't show today) waited for our turn. Of course, there was only one range instructor, so feasibly it was possible to run only one truck. Hopefully, we'll get more instructors as the class progresses so that both trucks can be operating at the same time and the time in the cab increases. Out of my 5 hours on the range today, I think I got maybe 45 minutes in the tractor while everyone was there, then 15 minutes when it was just me and the other guy.
Okay, my rant about my unhappiness with today is over.
Tomorrow will be the end of the first week, and 3 more weeks to go.
OH!!! GOOD NEWS!!! WERNER HAS HIRED ME!!!!!!! All I have to do is finish the class=) -
Ok here are the 2 styles of remembering which way to turn the wheel.
1. Hand on bottom turn the wheel the way you want the trailer (tail end) to go.
2. Hand on top of wheel turn the opposite of the way you want it to go.
3. SLOW SLOW SLOW
4. If you realize you need to correct it ITS TO LATE.
Just some of the things to remember and backing is 10 percent knowledge and 90 percent practice there is no magic formula i wish there were but its practice and experience and some days you can back into the eye of a needle and some days you can't put it in a cow pasture. so just take your time and remember to go slow. I all ways taught students in a deep reduction 15 speed in low low reverse you could walk faster than it would move and it seemed to help.
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