Motokote

The best and a more permanent protection for metal parts is to have them MicroBlue Treated.

Link: http://www.microblueracing.com/

 

I would agree to some extent with that, Dice, but that is not always practical unless one is already tearing down an engine or other major component. For those that still have a ways to go before that, I would be real cautious about just dumping stuff into the oil and hoping it works like advertised. Now, if an engine was on it's last bit before getting an overhaul, then that might be a good test project to see if whatever additive kept it alive a little longer. Now, once it comes to opening up the engine, then I would consider the microblue thing.

 

In 2010 I sold a 1992 International COE model 9700 with 1,267,000 miles on the odometer. I started using MotorKote around 900,000 miles. Not supposed to change the oil viscosity, just travels through the engine coating parts. The COE sat for 5 years. Put 4 new batteries in it and it started like it was just shut off the night before. The last gallon I bought (years ago) was $69 but I felt the increased fuel mileage paid for it. The COE had the aerodynamics of a freezer but I still coaxed 6 mpg out of the 310 hp N14 and 9 speed tyranny.

 

Synthetic oil has been around at least since the mid 70s, perhaps longer. While I don't doubt synth is superior to conventional oil, I have yet to find any credible independent proof that synthetic oils will lead to longer engine life as compared to using conventinal quality oil. If I am wrong, please show me the proof. I've been looking for it since 1978 and haven't found it yet.

Remember now, I did say independent proof, not Amsoil or a subsidiary's proof. I want to be a believer.

One would think with their being one of the largest and most profitable companies in the world, Mobil could easily afford to conduct and publish such comparative proof of the abilities of synthetic lubes to actually extend engines life when compared to dino oil. Nope. I'm not saying the onus is on Mobil to do this, but no one else has published independent proof either. At least not that I can find.

Again - I want to find the proof to justify the extra expense I've paid for synth over the years in cold weather and for my beloved motorcycle.

Thanks

I should mention - I have no experience with Motorkote. I'd like to think it works, but have no way of knowing at the moment. If Motorkote plays nice with every possible oil additive already in the lube oil, I would be impressed to say the least.

 

Now that is one thing i did notice with my Detroit.My fuel Mileage did get much better and my temp went down and was much cooler.It seemed to just sound much better too,while using Motorkote.Again this was my observation.I still use it every other oil change.

 

Motorkote is 79.00.Use this every other oil change.Lucas Snake Oil is 30.00 every oil change..So 2 oil changes with lucas snake oil is 60.00..79.00 for 2 oil changes with Motorkote..

19.00 savage and not really ''added expense''

 

Hey Landstar do you have a link or phone number to your franchise or distributorship with Motorkote?

 

I would to. But just as there is no real test data stating that synthetics will increase engine life, the same can be said of Lucas OS, MotorKote, etc. Sure, you will find an anecdotal statement that they took their engine to 2 mil before needing an overhaul, but you can find folks who just used a good quality engine oil that did virtually the same thing. Heck, I took an N-14 to 1.4 mil on nothing more than Kendall 15w40 conventional and 30,000 mile oil changes. It still got 7 mpg, didn't use more than a gallon of oil each 8,000 miles, and the next owner didn't do anything to it before starting to use it to haul grain. I never had to open the engine up for anything more than running the overheads.

But, there is substantial proof out there that synthetics will remain in viscosity better, have a better winter flow rating, and stand up to heat better than conventional oils. The ability to resist thermal breakdown better than conventional oils is well documented. They have their place. Not everyone is going to get the most out of a synthetic. It does depend on what you are doing and where you are doing it. Synthetics are recognized as being the prime choice when one wants to go for extended oil drains when using bypass filtration. No, not required, but because of those things I just mentioned, they lend themselves well to doing extended drains. If you are just running a synthetic and doing normal oil changes like when using conventional, you are probably throwing your money away. That is unless you are operating in extreme, butt ugly cold weather or the engine is constantly operating under full load and extreme heat.

But for longevity? That is purely subjective. How and engine is treated overall, the quality of replaced components, quality of oil, fuel, and air filters, engine EGT's, etc, etc, etc, all contribute to engine longevity or the lack thereof. Was a good oil sample program utilized to catch problems early before they cause damage? There are just too many variables to categorically state, beyond a reasonable doubt, that MotorKote, Lucas, or synthetics for that matter will increase engine life. Properly utilizing and not abusive use of the equipment tied to good maintenance practices will probably do more for engine longevity than anything you can throw in it.

And that does beg the question while we are here.... are those folks who have no problem throwing hundreds of dollars at products to throw in their engine even doing simple $20 oil sample tests at regular intervals to see if things are holding up well? I would venture that most are not. So they would have no clue if wear metals, contaminates, etc were lower after using the latest additive product than before. And those items being lower on an oil sample result would tell me if the product is in fact protecting better than the oil alone and also suggest longer engine life. I have never seen an oil sample report from someone using one of these products that was better overall than just using the oil they already were. I do regular oil sampling. I have not seen any difference in used oil sample results between the Delo conventional I use, or the Delo full synthetic I tried for a few oil changes. Both came in at almost the very same numbers across the board. So, I no longer use the Delo synthetic and now only use the Delo conventional. So the better question than what you asked is, can the used oil testing results be shown all of us by those that have used MotorKote or Lucas and how it compared to the oil sample results they got from using oil alone? Then we should be able to see reduced wear metals and other key factors that would show us that MotorKote is doing what it claims.

All we have heard or seen regarding these products, on this forum or on the product websites, is anecdotal at best and based on individual perception and feeling. I want to see a stack of used oil sample results comparing one's engine on regular oil alone and oil with their favorite additive. Then we all can make an informed decision.

I have never understood why, when dealing with engines that cost so much to replace, so many people will have no problem throwing money into things that seem neat, yet will not even shell out some change for doing things that actually mean something, like regular used oil samples. If you want real results, something you can read and measure, then at least tie a used oil sample program into your schedule. Then, when and if you try the latest whiz bang product, you will have measured results from before and after to find out if it really works, or you are just throwing your money away.

 

..No i just tried it years ago and got it from a TA that has them on sale,almost always for 79.00..

 

I gave Cowpie a ''thanks'' even though i did not read all that..I had to give him a thanks for a great effort on that long story...I was getting DIZZY for christ sakes..I am a stupid truck driver...