Owner Operator Total Costs Budget

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by im6under, Jan 11, 2008.

  1. Native Dancer

    Native Dancer Heavy Load Member

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    Back to the drawing board. What I quoted was for 06. For 07 the figures are (on 75,830 miles, 36% deadhead)

    Wages .40
    Charity .05
    Taxes .04
    P&W&L .04 Parking, weighing and loading. $2500 of this was to get a
    load picked up for me from a good customer
    Medical .07
    Shop .08 The corporation pays me $480/month for the rent of my
    shop plus equipment and supplies for the shop.
    Administration .10 Had to buy a new computer and fax machine. Also
    includes internet service, bank charges, phone bills
    workmans comp,etc.
    Insurance .11 Includes truck, mental and dedical insurance
    Vehicle use .02 Use of my vehicle #.485/mile to pick up parts, go to
    bank on business etc.
    Vehicle taxes .05 Licencing, IFTA, mileage charges
    Tolls .01
    Repairs .04
    Parts .09 Had to have $3380 engine work done, $160/month APU payment.
    Tires .01
    Oil .02
    Fuel .49
    Return on investment .24 All equipment is paid for but I take $1500 a
    month into a savings account in lieu of
    payments.

    Total $1.86


    Revenue per loaded miles $2.98
    Revenue on all miles $1.91

    I'm incorporated so your cost calculations may vary from mine.
     
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  3. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    that's a good breakdown Native Dancer. It highlights a few things I'v been doing wrong.

    Does it work out better for the corp to rent the shop from you than it does to have the corp own the shop and buy the equipment? I assume you are doing it this way because you already owned these items but what do you do when you buy new shop equipment claim it on your personal taxes as a cost to maintain the shop lease? If you didn't have the shop would it make more sense to have the corp own it all?
     
  4. im6under

    im6under Heavy Load Member

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    very well done and helpful breakdown.
     
  5. Native Dancer

    Native Dancer Heavy Load Member

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    I don't really believe it is worthwhile to have a corporation anymore. At one time there were tax and legal liability advantages to it but those days are long gone. A corporation also requires a lot of paperwork. I've been incorporated for 51 years and if I dissolved the corporation it would have to pay taxes on fair market value on everything that has been depreciated. By owning the shop and leasing it to the coporation it makes one less thing for the coporation to have to pay taxes on at the time of dissolvement. Shop eguipment is owned by the corporation. The shop is 40'x60' with 14' eaves. I built it in 1992 for $28,000 and lived in a 14'x14' room in it for 2 years while I was building my house. At the time I built it it could be written off over 7 years. Later that year the tax law was changed on capital improvements to 32 years retroactively. I would have never spent that kind of money on it with a 32 year write off. I get to claim land taxes and power bills plus a little on depreciation. Getting rent payments helped me when I was limited on my income by Social Security. I'll probably only be doing this for a few more years (I'm 68 ) and now only do things that interest me hence my low miles per year. 52 years at this is almost enough.
    I'm hesitant to tell you which way would be best for you as I'm not a tax accountant. Get yourself a good tax accountant and he can advise you what is best for you. A good accountant familiar with trucking can save you thousands.
     
  6. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    I think you might be a little misguided on the taxes and wages on them. You're going to have to report everything that you make. If you're leased on to someone, your settlements are going to include every dime they pay you.

    If you make $120k a year, and only "pay yourself" $20k out of that, you still are responsible for reporting that $120k as income for the year.

    On your fixed expenses, I noticed you're missing your quarterly federal tax payments, and your yearly 2290 payment of $550. Also, does your state require ad valorem or other yearly property tax on your vehicle?

    Also, there's not a slot for your cell phone or XM/Sirius subscription. While the satellite radio is a luxury expense, the cell is a necessity.

    You have a maintenance/repair fund, which is good. But you should have at least $10k put away for repairs. General PMs, oil changes, and other "routine" maintenance will eat up $5000 very fast. That will hardly leave you any money for that blown fuel injector ($3000 repair), clutch ($1500-2000), or most anything. At an average labor rate of anywhere from $75-$120/hr, most minor repairs start out at $500. You'll probably replace tires every 2-2.5 years, too.
     
  7. im6under

    im6under Heavy Load Member

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    I think you might be a little misguided on the taxes and wages on them. You're going to have to report everything that you make. If you're leased on to someone, your settlements are going to include every dime they pay you.

    If you make $120k a year, and only "pay yourself" $20k out of that, you still are responsible for reporting that $120k as income for the year.

    The 120k will show as income paid to an s corp on a 1099 if I remember the number right, been about 6 years since I had my business (s corp). Corporate Income and profit are two different things. Reporting 120k in isn't a problem as long as most of it went out in expenses (no tax liability). Paying myself 20k (personal income) also effectively means no income taxes which wouldn't be the case if I made 40,50, or 60k personally.

    On your fixed expenses, I noticed you're missing your quarterly federal tax payments, and your yearly 2290 payment of $550. Also, does your state require ad valorem or other yearly property tax on your vehicle?

    the 550 is there buried and guess fed tax payments. good catch on vehicle property tax, didn't even think about it and will need to check on that.

    Also, there's not a slot for your cell phone or XM/Sirius subscription. While the satellite radio is a luxury expense, the cell is a necessity.

    I have a cell already and wouldn't run out and buy another... covered that. Also, there is a misc. expense of $1000.

    You have a maintenance/repair fund, which is good. But you should have at least $10k put away for repairs. General PMs, oil changes, and other "routine" maintenance will eat up $5000 very fast. That will hardly leave you any money for that blown fuel injector ($3000 repair), clutch ($1500-2000), or most anything. At an average labor rate of anywhere from $75-$120/hr, most minor repairs start out at $500. You'll probably replace tires every 2-2.5 years, too.

    blown fuel injectors would be covered under warranty; towing and wear items like clutches, belts and hoses wouldn't be.

    thank you, and I'll revise the projections at some point in the next few days. hopefully tomorrow... but you know how that goes at times.
     
  8. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    Not familiar with the whole S Corp thing. Sounds interesting, but wouldn't you have to pay some kind of corporate taxes? Uncle Sam has to get his share somehow, right?

    By cell phone, I meant the cell phone bill. Mine averages about $65/mo. You may not need a phone, but the service is still billed. Just like my XM is about $50 per quarter for the radio and NavTraffic. I also have miscellaneous expenses on my spread sheet, but I list every one of my bills with a line item to ensure accuracy. This ensures that I have all my bases covered, and the miscellaneous figure covers those odds and ends that may come up.

    I still would recommend a $10k maintenance fund. I had the warranty that covered the injectors, as well. Had to pay extra for it, but it came in handy this past year. Still had a $200 deductible, though. Ensure you paid for the premium warranty-not all of them cover the injectors or turbo. I was caught by a blown clutch in the first couple months of owning my truck. $1700 bucks, just like that. Good times.
     
  9. im6under

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    Not familiar with the whole S Corp thing. Sounds interesting, but wouldn't you have to pay some kind of corporate taxes? Uncle Sam has to get his share somehow, right?
    My last company was an S corp. I primarily did business with a co-operative. (goldkist intl corp now public on nasdaq) They 1099'd me personally for 192k. Which took the accountant two seconds to transfer from me personally to the corp. The corp paid me a salary so it wasn't my money or problem.

    Now for the corp (me) it was a problem. The corp made 192k on the 1099 but they had rent, loans, utilities, all the normal business expenses to pay. After the expenses and depreciation the corp really only made a fraction of money. Hence near zero taxes to pay. This went on for a number of years until the accountant called and told me I needed to buy a new p/u truck and trailer to replace the worn out ones I had started with or else I would have a bunch of taxes coming due. Several years after that I needed a new larger building.

    not another building as in I have two. A new building as in tear down the old one and build a bigger brand new one to replace the old one.

    Several years after that (you can only lose money so long and stay in business), he called and said you either need to expand a bunch and pay taxes, or you need to sell the business but not spend any money for six months, then spend no more than 50% and not spend the other 50% for a year. Difference was paying 35% tax or paying 15% capital gains tax.

    I haven't an honest clue how it all worked. I know I went from the cheesy tax help guy and me being broke with no tax return, to paying a CPA bucket loads of money, not to run my business, but tell me where and when I needed to be spending to maximize my actual in the pocket profits. Best money I've ever spent and I still have a CPA working for me now because I want another business but don't want to cut my own throat doing it. been there already...

    By cell phone, I meant the cell phone bill. Mine averages about $65/mo. You may not need a phone, but the service is still billed. Just like my XM is about $50 per quarter for the radio and NavTraffic. I also have miscellaneous expenses on my spread sheet, but I list every one of my bills with a line item to ensure accuracy. This ensures that I have all my bases covered, and the miscellaneous figure covers those odds and ends that may come up. My cell is 169 a month, unlimited nationwide calling. (except for downtown chatanooga no service period!!! hillbillies, what's up with that?) I'm locked into that for a year, though if I started a company, they'd start paying the bill.

    I still would recommend a $10k maintenance fund. I had the warranty that covered the injectors, as well. Had to pay extra for it, but it came in handy this past year. Still had a $200 deductible, though. Ensure you paid for the premium warranty-not all of them cover the injectors or turbo. I was caught by a blown clutch in the first couple months of owning my truck. $1700 bucks, just like that. Good times.
    I see your point, as mentioned, and agree with you and some others who have spoken up. A hole in the radiator and missing hood from a deer strike might be covered by insurance also... but what was your deductible again??? ooops 5k... now that can eat a hole in the whole sha-bangy. not exactly maintenance but you gotta cough the money up from somewhere. and you know if it isn't this or that it will be something else...

    still haven't changed that spreadsheet yet... hehe
     
  10. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    I was doing some research on the S Corp last night. Pretty confusing for the Average Joe. It was saying something about having to split up the corporate profits amongst the shareholders, which would then be liable for their portion of the corporate profit, as well as their salary. I'm sure and accountant would figure it all out.

    You're definitely right about the deductibles. I only have mine set at $1000, so I wouldn't be hurt too badly.
     
  11. navy2008

    navy2008 Bobtail Member

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    I am new truck driver and working for somebdy and they ask to opena company so they can pay me. what is this company, I live in Ontario. Any idea? LOL
     
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