So i am thinking of buying a used 02-04 pre-emissions truck. Preferably looking towards a freightliner with a d 12.7 or 14l. As i have always heard that the old cats are rough to get good mpg out of. Don't know much about old cummins if anyone can tell me different feel free. Planning to outright buy a truck in the 20-25k range with 600-750k miles. And also have enough money in the bank to have an inframe done within a yr or two. Is this a good idea for my first truck? Any advice in the matter is greatly appreciated.
Advice on buying older trucks
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by slomotion07, May 17, 2013.
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I'd consider an N14 Cummins too.slomotion07 and Stilgar Thank this. -
I bought an 05 International 9400i with 700,000 for 21k a little over a year ago and it's been working out pretty well for me. In hindsight I could have gone a little older, even late 90's. Mine has an EGR which hasn't been any trouble yet, but still looking to get rid of it at some point. I wouldn't even get too hung up on mileage. Just check the truck out real well. Take your time, there's lots of trucks out there. You can hurry after you buy it.
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Wow nice post on that century mndriver. Really informative. I am leaning more towards the 12.7 as i have always heard over the years just how great and easy to work on that engine is. My main hope is to get something i can get at least a year or more of work out of before i have to do an inframe. I figure anything pre egr is built better and california can keep their freight. Ideally i would want to keep this truck for10+ years if possible. Hopefully by then this whole emissions nonsense is figured out. Any recommendations are great as well personally id like to buy an old t600, classic xl, or any international 9400i or 9900. You can keep the overpriced petes i want a solid truck i can run till the body flies off.
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Buy the drive line you want. Don't worry about the wrapper
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thanks thats more of less what i meant. Just dont intend to pay another 10-15k just cause my truck says peterbilt. Personally i am a kenworth guy but whatever fits the bill and gets me down the road safely is a winner at the right price.
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one thing to think about is like you said you are looking to spend 20-25k on a truck. And that's a lot of money. But think that you will likely spend 100-125k or more PER YEAR on fuel !! I will be honest, when I bought my truck I didn't place a lot of importance on mileage, luckily mine gets 6.5 and now I'm doing a few things to improve that. Be sure to do the math based on how you plan on running, one truck may pay itself back over another if you can get 0.5 mpg better or something.
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thanks ideally for the first year or until i figure i want to buy a trailer and run on my own. I have a company i can run 2800-3400 miles a week on loads 15k at most out 500 miles and usually gross around 70-78k back so hopefully the nice paying light loads out will compensate for the heavy and the deadhead miles are under 70 round trip. But i agree 100% that any truck i buy should be able to get over the 6 mpg surcharge. Because anything above that is just winning imo.
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also i figure i am in a good position as my yearly expenses right now as a company driver are only 4k at best. Figured i should edit that as that is only my bills i.e. cell phone internet & health ins. If i was to include food and living expenses it would be closer to 14k a year on the high end and i usually make 45-50k a year net. I have been saving every penny for the most part beside little things i want here or there in the 100-200 dollar range a month. So when i do make that leap to an o/o. I will stay with that mentality and only allow myself an expense of 10k salary everything else goes to savings. I can worry about doing better for myself after the first 3-5 years of my business.
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I've got a 2005 w900 with a C15 acert cat engine,18 speed box and 3.55 rear ends it had 850k miles on it when I got it 12 months ago. I get between 5.5 and 6 mpg depending on load , terrain and wind conditions. I got the truck for $37k and have since put 15k into it in the last 12 months. I have changed out all hard parts though, not thrown money down the drain looking for gremlins.
I have put in new 4 row rad + all stainless piping, new batteries(3), new starter motor, reman water pump , all 6 axle ends full brake overhaul drums shoes s cam shafts and bushings etc, replaced all the IVA solenoids and connectors, new clutch, replaced exhaust y pipe and all flex piping, new drive shocks. Plus all the mandatory servicing and a few tires as well.
If you plan on buying an older used truck and keeping it for 10 years then you will need to do most of this stuff in the first few years you own the truck.
As for engine rebuilds, you need to know the history of the engine in the truck you plan to buy. You need to see as much service records as are available to you as well as oil sampling from those services. If you are happy with that info then have the truck on a dyno as the next step. If the oil samples and dyno are showing reasonable results for the engine age then you're good to go. Start putting money aside for a rebuild but if you keep on top of regular oil samples then you will know what's happening long before any nasty surprises arise. I don't plan on rebuilding my engine until I see reason to from either oil samples or some other obvious need, ie head gasket go's and starts eating coolant or something of that obvious kind. Save the money for it but do it when necessary.
Tires on a used truck are a good thing to look at too. If you are looking at a truck with worn down tires then definatly knock down the buying price as you're looking at at between $2k to $6k for a set of drives depending what you go with and a good chunk of change for steers if needed as well. This is a cost that if you need to cover in the first year can be hard to come by if you're running on a tight budget.
Maintenance is key with older equipment. Look after it and drive it like a granny on a Sunday afternoon and it will last 10 years more. Neglect it and push it hard and it won't last another year!Starboyjim and slomotion07 Thank this.
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