You technically still on duty while u waiting for them to load your trailer?

The bottom line question, according to the law, is "are you free to leave the facility"? If you are in the dock, then you aren't free to leave the facility and you are On Duty. If you are waiting for a dock then technically you should ask whether you are free to leave the yard. If you are free to go, then you can log Sleeper Berth or Off Duty.

 

If you logged sleeper it may show on duty hours against your 14 until you reach 8 hours then it should readjust your 14 . I can't say for sure because my carrier wouldn't allow split sleeper . You don't gain much though because all you have after the 8 hour break is the balance of your 14 and the 2 hour break counts against the 14 .

 

Wrong. If you're not actively doing the labor of loading/unloading or supervising on the dock (on duty, not driving,) but are in your cab you can legally log sleeper berth. If you are chillin' in a drivers lounge you can legally log off duty.

The split sleeper provision can always be used to your advantage. If they actually hurry-up and get you loaded, that time in the dock can serve as the short side of a split. On overnight runs, delaying departure until you get the 8-hour break in can recover the lost hours in the dock so you can make your run and arrive on-time. Get's ya a nap so you're not driving off the road too!

 

Thanks for that . Like I said earlier my carrier wouldn't allow split sleeper , probably because they weren't smart enough to know how to audit it . The problem was we had a shipper that would have loads that had to be delivered 500 miles away at 7 a.m. but they wouldn't load the trailer until the afternoon before . Taking the trailer as soon as it was ready and going straight to the customer would have the driver there at 11 p.m. or midnight . Twice when I got there at 11 I took 8 hours sleeper , unloaded then took 2 more sleeper . Safety put me in violation both times . I told them fine , if I couldn't get to the customer before 9 p.m. I'd stop and take a 10 hour break before I got there and show up late .
The loads were tanker air unload . A few drivers got to customers at midnight and when the customer banged on their doors at 7 a.m. the drivers started at 7 a.m. while still logging sleeper . The Qualcomm showed the high idle for the compressor starting at 7:15 . Safety had a hissy fit and sent copies of the drivers' logs to all the terminals . O.K. , it's on the shipper to get the loads out earlier . Our only option would be to go on duty after a 7 hour break , spend an hour and a half to 2 hours unloading , then take a 10 hour break and head home around 8 p.m. , getting there around 6 a.m. and needing another 10 hour break . That wasn't going to happen

 

Yeah Pam didn't like us to use split sleeper either, but sometimes u gotta to b on time

 

delete......

 

The way we were taught in school was:

Anytime you are behind the wheel with the engine running it's Driving.
Anytime you are doing ANYTHING related to the truck besides Driving is On-Duty not Driving.
Anytime you are in the Sleeper it is....ummm Sleeper.
Anytime you are doing anything not related to the truck or job is Off Duty.

 

That is no longer the case. Since Feb 2012 if you are inside a non-moving truck, no matter where you are, you can log it on line 1 or 2. Even at a loading dock.

 

We could write a book on how many things were taught wrong in school . You can be behind the wheel with the engine running and be Off Duty if the truck isn't moving . Brief phone calls from the carrier while Off Duty do not change your duty status .

 

yeah they taught me that in school too (engine running behind the wheel) but when I asked them well didn't you say that when you were at a shipper/receiver it was on duty? Did you want me to push the trailer with my bare hands to the dock?

of course then they digressed