I understand that, and I looked everywhere, asked a bunch of people at both the FMCSA and a few states and they all said that the driver is responsible - period.
The regulations do not including facsimiles as part of the ability to reproduce a log and when I asked what latitude the officer has, they all said they have complete discretion about a faxed log. Computer generated logs are not the same as a faxed log. as much as a copy of a log is not an actual log, meaning that it was copied on a copier.
E-Logs - the good, the bad & the ugly
Discussion in 'Trucking Electronics, Gadgets and Software Forum' started by Project1, Apr 22, 2013.
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Dont follow Teletrac's model,it's horrid! Just not user friendly.if I have to park somewhere at night bc there's not enough spaces,I'll park in any place all the way to the back,and try and move my truck in the am closer to the door where I'm not so isolated( female driver) and the darn thing counts you LOGGED IN!! That is so inefficient bc I'll move the truck and go back to bed,but it shows you logged in no matter what you do...i e. staying under 5mph,only going maybe 200 yards for under 1 minute. -
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And many drivers wish they were free to drive as long as they want, to hopefully maximize their profits.
Neither attitude is right. If you are healthy enough to drive 18 hours a day 7 days a week SAFELY, then fine.
If you are old and can manage 8 hours a day, 5 days a week SAFELY, that is OK also.
Almost ALL drivers know when they are too sleepy to drive but many just ignore it putting short term profit ahead of safety of others and the cargo. If you nod off while driving, change your way or your job. -
I know a lot of "old" drivers than can drive 11 hours a day 6 days a week SAFELY . -
I have heard a lot of truckers commiserating because they cannot drive longer hours so they can make more money, NONE saying they would like less hours.
I think ALL drivers should drive within their safety limits, even if it is less than 11 hrs for them.
SAFETY FIRST, then your company, shippers, and receivers. You should stop and rest if you feel sleepy. then drive when you wake up naturally.
Log books interfere with that routine. So does greed and peer pressure.
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Thanks again for your feedback very helpful. As discussed there are guidelines listed in what you had posted above, 395.14 and 395.15 haven't officially been passed as of yet. The problem is that there aren't laws yet, just guidelines. The laws could change based on the nature of the business, which is why none of them have been passed yet. As we can all see, E-Logs and EOBRs are a complex issue. There is also a significant difference between the two.
From what I have been able to gather: E-Logs are an electronic way to track paper HOS Logs. This is usually controlled by the driver - with input from the driver into a device of some sort - (i.e. a cell phone app, or an on-board system). But the point is that the driver inputs the information.
EOBRs are an automated form of E-logs where the driver doesn't control the information. The information is taken directly from the on-board vehicle system. When it's moving, it assumes the driver is driving, and it tracks location according to the GPS. It's usually hard-wired into the vehicle's CAN or J1939 or J1708 parameters, and can not be changed by the driver.
Both types of systems present challenges for the drivers - most of which have been outlined on this thread (thanks everyone). From being able to print records, to having people enter the cab, to being able to produce history, to have a vehicle running during loading/unloading I am starting to understand why no laws have been passed.
I would like to thank everyone for their feedback and input, as ultimately this will help us develop a solution that meets everyone's need!
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