How is this possible?

Doesn't matter. You basicially said for him not to pay it on principle because he didn't owe it. I did owe it, but didn't pay it on principle. If he ends up with expired license, or spends weeks and quite a few dollars trying to fix something that may or may not get fixed, the end result will be basicially the same as was with me. Money, stress, and aggervation.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Time has taught me things are not always fair. Sometimes you just have to eat a poop sandwich and pretend it's peanut butter.

 

So you willingly just allow people to say, "You really have no reason to owe us money, but we are going to force you pay us anyway."


Sorry, but it's bad enough how the government rips off its citizens now, we shouldn't WILLINGLY allow them to do it when they are totally in the wrong.


If you are stupid enough to ignore a legal ticket and NOT address it, that is YOUR fault.

 

You just want to argue, and I'm not going to do it. You argue with everyone in every post of your's I read. I said what I had to say. If you want to spend $1000.00 to save $75.00 on principle, go for it.

 

Because people like you disgust me and are the biggest reason for so many issues we have. Roll over and just take it.

More people need to step up and maybe we wouldn't havethe HOS amd other crap being stuffed down our throats.

 

Hey, the HOS and junk came on your watch, not mine. Why didn't you go to Washington and do something about it? I very seldon even ran a log book in my day.


You saying I'm stupid and I disgust you makes me KNOW I'm on the right side of this arguement.


EDIT: I parked MY truck twice in the 70's during the shutdowns in protest of rates and fuel cost at great cost to me to try and make things better. What have you done that cost you lots of money to try and help everyone?

 

You have proof it was not you. TRY to get out of it. Its sad it will waste your time, stress.

My wife just got "bill" for over 10x as much. From state she had not been for decade.

So she has to pull all proofs. Because they messed up.. IMO it should be responsibility of the "government agent" who screwed up/didn't spend 30 seconds checking to pay US the amount they claim we owe.

 

Ok, a couple things here.....

1) It's very clearly identified on my log that there is a co-driver, you see there's a box where I write the co-drivers name.

2) Anything that needs to be determined about my log can be verified without looking at the co-drivers log. You look at where I stopped driving, and then where I started, the area in between, the distance, can be easily calculated and the time traveled can be calculated. There is absolutely no reason, none whatsoever, to look at any log book other than mine, the one who is being inspected....

Unless you're fishing for a citation/logbook infraction.

In which case you'll want to look at as much as you think you can get away with, which was the case in Oregon.

And that inspector was informed of his overreach, by his superiors, hence his desire to usher me out of the inspection bay.

The inspector cannot ask for the co-drivers license, med card, log book, cannot question, or otherwise harass the co-driver, as the co-driver is not the object of the inspection....

And the co-driver is to be taking an uninterrupted break.

If he could, he would have stood his ground, instead of spending 15 min on the line between the inspection shed and the main building....

You can't find the regulation stating that the inspecting LEO can also inspect the co-driver cause there is no such regulation, and in fact harassing the co-driver, who is asleep in the bunk, is out of bounds....

It's a simple question, and the question is, what is the purpose of an inspection?

Is it to,

A) Harass drivers and attempt to shake them down for money?

or,

B) Ensure that the vehicle, and it's DRIVER, (singular, not plural), is operating safely, and that the vehicle is in a safe mechanical condition?

Correct, but the only time the CO-DRIVER is required to show the logbook, is when they are OPERATING the vehicle. (and this applies to all of the other documents that the co-driver is responsible for as well.) The logical fallacy in your argument is that I am somehow responsible for the documents possessed, and pertaining to, someone other than myself.

The problem that you have, is that you are unable to distinguish between parties.

There is only one party who is being inspected, during an inspection, not two.

 

Oh, and I'd like to add, that in 21 years of driving truck, with 16 of those years driving team with my wife, that in all of those countless inspections, only one state, one, that state being Oregon, have I ever had the LEO who is doing the inspection ask for the co-drivers logbook, and at that, only three times in Oregon....

Never in Connecticut, or NY, or Mass, or New Hampshire, or Maine....

Never in, or during, a roadside inspection, (and these have been plenty)

Never in Arkansas, or Tenn, or MS, or Missouri, or California, or WA.....

Never in IL, or WI, or even MN, or SD, or ND....

Never, ever.

 

Never in Utah, or Colorado, or New Mexico, or Louisiana, or Florida, or Georgia, or Ohio, or Michigan, or Montana, or........

 

If that were the case, anybody with an adult passenger could run 2 log books CLAIMING their passenger was actually a "co-driver". You could write your name on the "driver" line, and check that little box indicating a co-driver, and write the passenger's name on the co-drivers line....in BOTH books (because you'd only ever hand over the book that shows you legal to drive....the other book belongs to your "co-driver" and would be off-limits to the cop during any inspection). Your passenger wouldn't even need to have a CDL in order to claim them as a co-driver, because according to you, the DOT isn't allowed to ever ask them for their credentials to verify that they are who you say they are.

You are correct, though. The purpose of the inspection is to ensure that the vehicle is being operated safely and mechanically sound, and that the driver is properly certified and operating within the HOS regulations. If you are claiming that a "co-driver" is present in order to account for miles you couldn't legally drive by yourself, the officer has every right to look at your co-driver's log book to verify that claim. The co-driver doesn't even have to be disturbed for you to hand over their log book....it is supposed to be kept current to their last change of duty status anyway. If there is still any reason whatsoever to doubt your claims, the officer can request to see their CDL to make sure they are licensed to drive the CMV you are claiming they co-drive along with you. If they are not properly licensed, your "co-driver" claim falls apart....which is what I would be increasingly inclined to believe could be true the more you argued about why you didn't want them providing their log book or CDL to me during the inspection.