Forced to use travel time for new HOS break

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Heliophobe, Jun 30, 2013.

  1. Heliophobe

    Heliophobe Bobtail Member

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    I pick up my tractor and trailer, go to a ferry and take a couple hour trip before delivering on the other side. I have always been paid for this time. With the new 30 minute break rules, my company wants me to use part of that time as the break. Am I wrong to think the ferry time is covered under 395.1 (j)?
     
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  3. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    There is no reason why you could not use this as your break, I do not think the company can mandate it though.
     
  4. Speedy Sailor

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    Are you logging line 4 or sitting down enjoying the water on line 1? Companies ALWAYS want to SAVE MONEY and most blue collar people DO NOT get paid lunch. Grab some lunch and LIVE.
     
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  5. Heliophobe

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    I don't really want to take a break but if I have to, I don't want to be forced to do it on a no frills ferry. They are asking this so as not to extend the day, however, often enough I will have to take a second break after 8 hours anyway, defeating the purpose. And when I don't I will be doing what I have always done for less pay while trapped on a ferry for the break. 395.1 (j) seems to give me an out no?
     
  6. Heliophobe

    Heliophobe Bobtail Member

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    We have always logged it on duty not driving.
     
  7. Crossroads

    Crossroads Light Load Member

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    395.8 (1) Off duty. Except for time spent resting in a sleeper berth, a continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record would you be responsible to take action(s) of time when the driver is not on duty, is not required to be in readiness to work, or is not under any responsibility for performing work.

    If anything were to happen on deck with your truck while traveling would you be responsible to take action? I always used to log ferry time as on duty.

    Bottom line is depending on how you get paid (log hours or clock hours) a lot of hourly drivers will take it in the shorts on this one. Although well intended, another stupid regulation, that in my opinion does not promote safety, but may actually cause dangerous conditions.
     
  8. Heliophobe

    Heliophobe Bobtail Member

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    Are you saying 395.1 (j) doesn't apply but because if something did happen and I had to act I should be on duty not driving anyway?

    Neither the company nor I want to extend the day taking a break after I get off the ferry. But doing it their way benefits them not me. If I have to, I would actually prefer having the option of getting something to eat or running to the bank or even stretching my legs. Even if it means extending the day. Can't do any of that on the ferry.
     
  9. Heliophobe

    Heliophobe Bobtail Member

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    So people don't have to look it up:

    395.1 (j)#Travel time—(1) When a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver at the direction of the motor carrier is traveling, but not driving or assuming any other responsibility to the carrier, such time must be counted as on-duty time unless the driver is afforded at least 10 consecutive hours off duty when arriving at destination, in which case he/she must be considered off duty for the entire period.
     
  10. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I agree. My rule of thumb has always been; If the company requires me to be there/with the truck etc, I am on duty, not driving. If they require me to ride that ferry with that truck & be there to get it off on the other side, I am on duty, not driving while on the ferry. If they require me to be there, by law, they have to pay me. An employer can not require you to be at work/on location & not pay you for that time.
     
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  11. airforcetoo

    airforcetoo Heavy Load Member

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    What time do you take the ferry? Is it in the beginning of your day? If so, you may have to take another break 8hrs later ...
     
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