High egt temps and lag

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  1. free2fly973

    free2fly973 Light Load Member

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    My sig shows the specs and im trying to find the hp/torque sheet for this engine. Its a ddec III. Unless i keep her rapped out i lack power and egts climb fast. From a stop and taking it easy; by top of 8th gear im pushing 800-900 on pyro. And thats flat ground. And no you cant see my toes at the top of the stack, ever. I do have slight leak in exhaust manifold joint but will be replacing with pdi standard manifold and changing from tmf55 turbo to stage 1 pdi. How much will this help? Wont b able to do till this next weekend.
    Also being a 500hp @ 2100 rpm and not @ 1800 do i run it alittle higher than regular modern motor? I started out on an 82 mack that u had to keep up to 2000 rpms all the time. Is it going to be like that? Hate to keep her wound up like that; seems wrong.
    Thanks for all your help and knowledge. Local shops that should know dont:biggrin_25513:
     
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  3. Helowrenchturn2

    Helowrenchturn2 Medium Load Member

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    I'm no expert by any stretch but I'd say your stock turbo is worn out and not supplying enough air. I would bet that when you make those changes you will see a significant drop in those temps. Also, that Detroit will pull well down to about 1200 rpm, the only thing you're doing climbing a hill at 2000 rpm is burning excess fuel and putting a lot of strain on the already hot motor. You will see the egr go way up. Remember, 1300 deg and metal is starting to get soft and erode
     
  4. Helowrenchturn2

    Helowrenchturn2 Medium Load Member

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    Egt, not egr. Sorry
     
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  5. free2fly973

    free2fly973 Light Load Member

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    I havnt been running over 1600-1700 and thats only coming out of 9th to 10th. Just couldnt bring myself to do it to her even though some insists thats where she should be. Flat land in 10th i keep it 1400-1550; a little higher hitting a hill. Thanks for the input!! Im no mech either lol. Wish i was. Thats why I'm here and bugging local Detroit and freightliner. Hope your right about mods helping
     
  6. Helowrenchturn2

    Helowrenchturn2 Medium Load Member

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    I kept my Detroit right at 1350-1400 when I had her. Was a good strong motor. Wish I had kept my freightliner and rebuilt it instead of trading for this Volvo motor. Oh well, too late now! Lol keep us informed on your progress!!
     
  7. AUSSIE DAVE

    AUSSIE DAVE Road Train Member

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    You need a turbo boost gauge so you know what psi you are producing, that with a pyro and you can generally start to work out where the problem is. E.g if you have low turbo boost then look at air leaks or poor turbo. If psi is normal then look at fuel. I luv having a pyro and turbo boost gauge.
     
  8. free2fly973

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    @ 1500 rpm's she run 800-950 *F on flat ground and boost wont hardly come up much, even on a l hill barely 10-12 lbs. and slow to build and slow to release boost. Real sluggish and low lbs 0-7 usually.
    Now in 9th gear she builds fast all the way up to 26 lbs or so and does it quickly; she acts like what i expect. Why would a gear matter other than 10th/1350-1500 rpms and 9th 1500-1650 rpms.
    At 1500 in 10th im running 70ish.
    Rockwell 10, 373 rears, 11r/ 24.5
    cac holds 30 for 1 min; hoses and all. Might drop 1 lbs. no kidding, solid. Checked intake manifold and all. Air compressor is on seperate air filter (for diagnosis but thinking of leaving).
     
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  9. 15 over

    15 over Light Load Member

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    A severe intake restriction will cause something similar, make sure your air filters are good, you don't have an intake hose collapsing, or a rag or trash bag over the intake. You laugh but I have seen it already, especially with the truck's that have the air filters under the hood instead of out side. If all this is good I say the same as Aussie Dave you have turbo issues.

    Does this Detroit have the dual power ratings on it. I saw a 430/470 Detroit that had computer problems on the 430 side and it would just not run until a certain gear, where it was allowed to go to the 470 mode? After the computer let it have the 470 rating it would run fine.
     
  10. underpsi

    underpsi Road Train Member

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    Save you're money and buy a Borg Warner 171702 and you can get a brand new factory Detroit manifold for pretty cheap which doesn't justify spending all the extra money on a PDI one. Even if you were looking for more flow you could have the stock Detroit one ported and coat4ed and still be ahead by a lot.
     
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  11. areelius

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    I have the same 500 Detroit series 60. I sent my ecm to Rebel 127 and got it back the day after he got it. He improved my fuel economy at least 1 mpg and turned up the horsepower to close to 600. My egt temps dont go over 925 deg. no matter what now. Its a joy to drive thanks to him. The cost will pay for itself in fuel alone in no time.
     
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