Tire size and over height issue?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by 379exhd, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. 379exhd

    379exhd Road Train Member

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    Don't know if this is the right section or not if not mods please move it to the right section. Started pulling a box last week. I run 24.5 falls on my tractor and the boxes I pull are 22.5LP. When I hooked up I immediately knew there was a problem. Grabbed my tape measure slung it up top of the front of the trailer to the ground was 14'2" load was only 11k so with 40k I realize it will sit a little lower problem is they're sending me up to Chicago with low overhead. What is the best solution for this problem aside from changing the tire size. I slid my tandems all the way back at the received and it seemed to drop the nose of the trailer down a little but I didn't remeausre. I had to dump my air suspension to clear a few bridges in the Chicago area and I'm worried about
    1.decapitating a trailer
    2.getting a ticket for dumping my air suspension while going down the road
    3.getting the living hell beat out of me and my tractor
    And finally getting pulled into a scale and having my trailer measured and being over height.

    I can't afford to throw a set of 22.5lp on the truck at this point and really can't afford to put a set of 24.5lp on right now either. Kinda stuck on this one and would like some suggestions. Company doesn't want to help with the bill for new tires, nor do they want to give me a lane that doesn't have low overhead. I preplan my routes using my handy dandy map and check overhead clearances but it would appear as though rand McNally doesn't consider 14' and below low overhead. So that's also a concern. Will sliding my tandems back lower the nose any? Also is it cheaper for an over height fine or an overlength fine (stupid 41 foot law in Illinois). Just need suggestions. I like a couple guys at the company and they've been good to me, but getting my dispatcher to realize 14'2" doesn't clear 14' is like trying to teach a chimp a square peg doesn't fit in a round hole.
     
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  3. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    changing tires won't fix this. there just is not 14 inches( you only gain half) between tall 24.5 and lp 22.5. you have another issue going on. either your suspension is set way to high, or the ride leveling valve isn't functioning properly. also you may have an exceptionally tall fifth wheel. it's not uncommon for a truck set up to pull a flatbed to have a tall fifth wheel so the winches don't tear up drive tires. measure your fifth wheel height. I think 36" is what you need to be able to stay under 13'6" with high capacity dry vans and refeers. Give a trailer dealer a call to double check the 36" number, it's just been to long since I've had to know that for me to trust my memory. it may be 38.
     
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  4. fireba11

    fireba11 Heavy Load Member

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    Stay west of the Mississippi and you are legal to 14 ft.
     
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  5. paul 1052

    paul 1052 Heavy Load Member

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    It looks like you need to lose 8 inches and won't do it with shorter tires and a low mount 5th wheel.
     
  6. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    5th wheel height should be more in the order of 46"-47".

    379,, you made sure that 14'2" wasn't a high hook? (can happen to the best of us) Sounds really excessive.
    As spyder7723 said, double check your air-ride height setting (and other items he mentioned). Adjust it at low end of mfg spec, but within spec.
     
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  7. 379exhd

    379exhd Road Train Member

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    Yes checked for a high hook. Didn't high hook her took me 10 minutes just to get under the trailer because it was dropped so low. I will check the air ride settings and everything today. This truck was a previous flatbed truck before I bought it, dad runs lp24.5s and I run 24.5 talls and when they're next to each other mine definitely sits a lot higher. His was also a dry van tractor before he bought his.

    I also noticed when I dropped a Wabash the other day I had the jacks at full extension and still ended up having to dump the air suspension to get the jacks on the ground. I blame unlevel ground on that however. I Had to dump to get under it as well with the jacks all the way up. Is that normal in any way shape or form? I never had to dump suspension back when I was pulling a flat to get under a trailer. I'll get a measurement of my 5th wheel height today and check and see what can be done with it.

    Well back to the drawing board and hopefully I can get things adjusted and get it legal. Tore a few lugs out of some tires to get under those bridges dragging the tires across the top plate.
     
  8. Ruthless

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    Height for 13'6" trailers is generally 47.5" max. Those trailers are 115" from plate to top of roof tops..so you gotta be at 48" or less to make that east coast legal.
    i have a 3" riser under my fifth wheel. And the suspension lifted a touch, riding on 24.5lp. It's 50.5" top of the fifth wheel. So if I hook a trailer like you've got I'm right below you. I could change out the slider to one that doesn't have the rise, and lower my leveling valve...but then I'd have to take off my full fenders and chop off the ramps that are welded onto the back of my fenders to prevent winches from creaming them.
    If you don't have full fenders, see about lowering your setting on your leveling valve. (Mine has 4 settings) also next set of rubber go lp24, sucks to wait for it and risk it all in the meantime but if you don't have the $ that's your option. I don't know if you have a high slider under your fifth, check it out-I looked at Fleetprides catalog a while back n the Fontaine I have I could get the one I have or a standard height one for about $1000. Options are out there..
     
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  9. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Don't the scales have over-height sensors? Would they even let you leave being that high?
     
  10. Container Hauler

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    Its common to see trucks with ramps on the end of the tractor chassis for this same reason. Some drivers leave the jacks so high that when they drop them its hard to pick them up.
     

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  11. maxicruise

    maxicruise Light Load Member

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    You want your 5th wheel height to be no more than 47". Measure from the top of your frame to the top of the 5th wheel, and I think that the lowest mount you can get is around 7". Other than that, it is suspension height setting or tire size. Be careful changing your suspension height as you can get your driveline angles wrong. Also changing tire size will change the rpm that you cruise at so it will affect your MPG too.
     
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