Need help with a trailer

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by rspdron, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. rspdron

    rspdron Bobtail Member

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    Hi I wanna start in car hauling business with a 1 ton dually (i'm looking for a dodge 3500 dually diesel) but my question is about a trailer which one i should buy ? i want to get 3-4 car trailer may be kaufman .. but most of them rated 13800 lb gvwr and if I put on it 3 small sedans 3000 lb each =9000lb + trailer itself 7500 lb it will make it 16500 lb you cant even put on it 2 SUV's you gonna be overweight again how do you guys fight this when you get on scales ? and second question what is the maximum length of your combination (truck and trailer)? i saw some people told 70 but there are some trailers 53ft and your truck is 20ft that makes you overlenght again
    Thank you
     
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  3. SemperFiServices

    SemperFiServices Medium Load Member

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    If you have your CDL, you don't have to worry about weight as long as your rear axle isn't over, which can be easy to do with a 1 ton. With your bed on, the longest you can be is 65 feet as a "truck-trailer" combo. With the bed off you can be 75' as a "tractor-trailer"- BUT not all state allow that long a rig on the roads! FLA only likes 65' or less, you need a permit to run over 65' there. And to answer your last line, your math is wrong. Your average dually is about 21' long, with the RA being about 4' forward of the bumper. Your kingpin sits just on, or a few inches forward of the axle. SO 17' of truck plus 53 of trailer MINUS the 4' that is over the truck bed, leaves you at 17+49= 66'. A 53' trailer is ILLEGAL for a pick up with a bed, but I've never heard of anyone getting popped for it, but I'm sure it's happened.
     
  4. Dorsey

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    Can you post a link about a TT having to be 65' in FL? I do have the permit as its cheap insurance in case im wrong and it also allows me to legally be 14' tall in FL but ive never been able to find anything were it says a TT has to be 65' or less in FL. But anyways thats probally another thread.
     
  5. rspdron

    rspdron Bobtail Member

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    thank you for your reply .. what do you you mean real axle isn't over ? and i still worry about the trailer weight because it will say on paper that's maximum is 13.800 lb and i will be carrying 4000lb more than that what the DOT employee will do when he sees that and i'm sure he will. I already have my class A learners permit and will I be able to do the road test on 1 ton dually with 3-4 car trailer to get the actual class A CDL?
    Thank you
     
  6. SemperFiServices

    SemperFiServices Medium Load Member

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    Dorsey, I'm sure it can be found on the FL DOT page, but I've never looked it up myself, got no need to run there. I was just posting what I've read on AE.
     
  7. SemperFiServices

    SemperFiServices Medium Load Member

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    By rear axle being over, it can be easy to put more weight on the drive axle than the vehicle is rated for. For example, the RAWR on my 99 F-350 dually is only 8850 lbs or something near that. BUT I've had up to 9500 lbs on it before. YES it can handle it, hell the Dana 80 axle is rated for 11k, but maybe Ford derates it due to the suspension limits. Now if you get caught with more weight on your axle than allowed the DOT can fine you for being overweight. But there's some debate with duallys over what the coop will read- is it the axle rating or the tire rating? Not something I'd like to chance when you can be put OOS and fined. Same goes for your trailer- if it's only rated for 13,800 so you can run under 26k and you go over w/o a CDL you're done. Take your road test, and you can run whatever you're plated for, but if your trailer is only a 2 axle, then you're limited to whatever the axles, or rather tires, are rated at. Not all "standard" 235/85r16 tires are rated for over 3500lbs, so keep an eye on that too. I'm of the adage that it's best to cover all your bases and not pay fines.
     
  8. Pilgrim007

    Pilgrim007 Light Load Member

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    You should never exceed the axle rating and the tires should match the axles. To double check go to Discount tires they will give you accurate info on both. Also look at the Federal sticker in the cab, it will give you the axle weights which should never be ignored. Assuming the cop won't know is playing Russian Roulette and the fines are very heavy.

    As to length I can only tell you that on E Bay you can buy a 53 ft enclosed Car Hauler which is legal in all states, But again the weight is what counts.
    And Carrying for hire ypou need all DOT MC authorities and DOT physical and log books just the same as a CDL Driver.
     
  9. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    try This
    http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/316.515
     
  10. Dorsey

    Dorsey Medium Load Member

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    Thanks..........I guess? Im sure you posted that more so to get back at me about my opinion about repo companies than you were trying to be helpful though. When I get to my laptop ill read up on it either way.
     
  11. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    You greatly misunderstand me I have nothing to do with trying to get back at you. I saw question I just get the information I provided you with that one person helps another we all benefit
     
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