Its Official Schneider energy south Texas is closing their doors

Stevens has been hiring for the oilfields for quite some time. Not sure what they're paying over that way but I've received several invitations from Stevens for oilfield work since being on their mailing list quite some time ago.

 

No, it's not BS. In fact it is rather widespread in Pa. and there are numerous case after case examples including some YouTube videos where farmers light their kitchen tap water on fire and sustain a flame right at the faucet.

Here's a copy of a post I made in reply to this exact conversation earlier this summer:


Are esteemed universities (Columbia and Durham and University of Oklahoma, among just a few) all "liberal" too? These are only two (of multiple) universities whose seismologists and geoscientists, of which I believe know a bit more about the action of what causes earthquakes than anti-environmentalists and the "drill baby, drill" crowd, providing such reports.

One of the recent studies was authored by such renown and -recognized- (by conservatives well) experts in their field such as University of Oklahoma Geophysics Professor Katie Keranen, U.S. Geological Survey geophysicist Dr. Elizabeth Cochran and Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory's seismologist Dr. Heather Savage and Dr. Geoffrey Abers.

While I can't offer opinion on the causing of earthquakes other than the empirical evidence by the aforementioned, I can most certainly offer my subjective and personal take on fracking in Pa. ... my home state of which I witnessed firsthand, damage from fracking during my hunting and fishing expeditions over the past three or four years. A land owner I know well and whose land I've hunted since I was a child back in the early '70s has suffered incredible loss and damage in SW Pa. after leasing his land for fracking.

In any event, the practice of fracking is downright damaging no matter how you slice or spin it.
http://www.ibtimes.com/fracking-safe...lvania-1320609

Is Penn State lying too, about arsenic levels in drinking water?
http://www.thenation.com/article/174...#axzz2YrrJOgBl

Is the DEP lying too?

http://protectingourwaters.wordpress...sting-methods/

The paper's attorneys filed an FOIA for the information (which had to be upheld and enforced by a judge) and the report from the DEP is detailed and absolutely frightening. The DEP acknowledges damage (poison) to drinking water supplies in 23 percent of the reported cases. Guarantee it's higher. Much higher. There have been more than 3000 violations in Pa. at fracking sites and $3.5 million in fines equaling a paltry fine of only $1,157 for EACH violation.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/drilling/

It's cheaper for the company to continue polluting the land, violating safety laws and regulations and paying the fines than to change practices and do it right and responsibly.

I drive a fuel tanker and know darn well where my bread is buttered ... but my head isn't buried in the sand, either. I know enough about fracking to know it's damaging as hell to the environment and acknowledging such doesn't make one anti-business OR "liberal." People need to stop politicizing the fracking practice for their own political agenda. Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ4LQSonXA

http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/drilling/

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?anno...id=4LBjSXWQRV8

 

All I know is that there was a rash of minor quakes in the Western PA/Eastern OH area up until Ohio put a moratorium on fracing in the Shenango Valley/Mahoning Valley area. Not saying its a cause/effect relationship, but I do find it interesting all the same.

 

It's YOU Tube. It's fake. It's not PROOF. If it was there would be huge sums of money changing hands. Nice Try. Come back when you have some PROOF.

 

Don't worry, not everyone will be so dismissive of such a large amount of references to support your position including your first hand experiences. Youtube is great, I use it all the time, like Wesley Clark's testimony that the Pentagon had plans to take down a bunch of Middle Eastern countries including Libya and Syria, these plans were in effect just days after 9/11. Tons of useful information on Youtube for people who don't happily engage in 'selective perception'.

I haven't begun to look at it all yet. Right now, I'm profiting from fracturing, but I won't continue to do so if I determine it's government and industry run amok- see Fukushima. But, I'll need some time to dig and to think and to examine my conscience. Then, there is something like hauling oil, which takes place regardless of fracturing. I live near a nuclear plant and opinions about that have changed. Not Fukushima, on a fault line, or whatever, but no one thinks about it anymore. It's just there, producing power, no one's concerned and many are employed. I'll put all this in the category of the big IDK!

Thanks for the information. Maybe someone will want to start a separate thread and call it 'the fracturing debate', or something like that. Post links, we can follow the debate, etc. Who cares if people are offended that their livelihoods are challenged? Some livelihoods need to be challenged and we all need to be concerned about the world more than just our personal profit.

 

If you are talking about the guy who sets his water on fire as it flows from the kitchen sink, that footage was used for the propaganda film "Gasland". It is a fact his well is located in an area were gas seeps into people's water wells naturally. So yeah the film used it because it fit the outcome they desired. Not how real science is done.

By the way, fracking has been around since the 1940's (actually a man patented a process for it during the civil war). Horizontal drilling was first recognized by the oil industry in the 1920's. Theses processes are not new. What is new is the procedure for propping the cracks in shale formations open so fluids can flow freely through the formation.

As for quakes, you would rather have a lot of small ones rather than one big one. Just ask someone living in southern Cali if they like small quakes or big ones.

Matt Damon was recently in a film which makes the oil services industry look like a bunch of a-holes. Funny how part of the film was funded by a group out of the Middle East opposed to fracking because they are worried about the technology cutting into their "bread and butter".

One other point I would like to make. The USA is one of the top consumers in the world of fossil fuels. If we are going to keep consuming them then we should not be opposed to producing them here at home. Kind of hypocritical and wrong to say I will drive a SUV and burn oil but I do not want the source produced here in America.

 

I think water usage is the biggest issue with fracing. As long as the well was drilled right and the surface casing that protects the water table is solid the will be no contamination. The fractures we make have no way of traveling thousands of feet to reach the water table. Most of the fractures are made within the first 10-15 minutes of a stage and the rest of the time were filling those fractures in with sand to help divert them to the areas we want them to go. The idea that these fractures can run 5000 or more feet vertically is almost impossible when you think about the immense pressure it takes just to break them open.

There are people much smarter than me with concerns about fracing and I'm willing to listen to them but most of the public outcry is due mostly to ignorance. And don't get me wrong if oil companies aren't following regulation they should be fined heavily or shut down in my opinion.

PS; Any job you do in the oilfield today will be because of fracing. There's very few conventional play still going and we would have no real oil production in our country today without fracing.

 

I don't know if this has been mentioned but Arnold is advertising on the radio out here in West Texas. They are paying $75 a load. I called and asked about the details and it will average out to about 1100 a week gross pay. I wouldn't have come out here for that kind of pay.

 

Back home, jumping for joy to gross $1100. Here in ND that ain't gonna cut it.

 

Yea, well didn't you write there is not one single case of fracking screwing up the water? You were proven wrong by the other links not just YouTube but hey, you can employ the ostrich syndrome all you want. It's your choice to refuse to acknowledge what is taking place. And just like you weren't aware of fracking damaging water you're not aware of big money changing hands ... it is. There's a plethora of lawyers waiting in line and suing like crazy in Pa.