Pre or Post Trip Inspections logging on EOBR

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  1. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Our company is current transitioning from paper to EOBR. We've been using, (learning) the ELOG for the past 2 weeks. During this time, we're to maintain both, paper and ELOG. Then in a couple weeks we'll be full EOBR. My question concerns logging the pre and/or Post Trip Inspections. On paper it required using a 15min block. We're allowed to flag a pre-trip however must log (15 min block) for Post trip. With ELOG, it is more precise, so is it a common, or accepted thing to also make sure at least 15 mins is shown? Some of our drivers seem to think so.

    We are using the Peoplenet Blu.2 EOBR. When I go from driving to On-Duty, at the end of the day, I push the Inspection icon. This places me from driving to on-duty, plus initializes the inspection report. On ours, the only info brought up for us to complete is:
    • Driver Name
    • Trailer Number
    • Hub mileage (which is our odometer reading)
    • Defects found, which has a drop-down menu providing the selection of yes or no
    I've been completing this immediately, then doing a quick inspection. Following that, I hit the off-duty icon. It seems that the inspection time is when I pressed the icon. So would it be better to first log on-duty from driving, then do the inspection, then press the inspection icon to complete the simplistic report?

    Like I stated, we're learning as we go. No training being offered, other than the ridiculous videos on the unit. So far most of us have made numerous "annotations", just due to pressing the wrong icon. Oh and so far ours do not automatically kick you from on-duty to driving when the truck is moving or vice-versa when stopped. I've managed to drive 100 miles logged as on-duty (not driving). FWIW, our boss says that our paper logs count until we go full EOBR..
     
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  3. CargoWahgo

    CargoWahgo Road Train Member

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    10 minute pre trip logged is acceptable by dot
    Combine with fuel drphk etc....

    Saves ya a half hr a week on 70
     
  4. Duke

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    After you park the truck, toggle to On-duty and go out and do a post trip inspection. If it takes you 10 minutes to do your inspection then so be it. Then go back to elog and complete inspection report. Then go off-duty. Auto-duty status changes is the only way to go... hopefully they will change that soon. When I was training my drivers, I instructed them to complete both pre and post trips when in on-duty(no flagging) this same way.

    Duke
     
  5. Rocks

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    Eaton, when I was with my former co. and using Qualcom, they wanted us to show no less than 5 mins on pre trip and 15 mins on post trip.

    My actual co. that uses Peoplenet wants us to show no less than 10 mins on Pre trip and only flag post trip.

    Our pre trip (which would be your post trip) is done this way:

    We click on On duty and then click on Pre trip (Post trip for you)
    A white blank screen will open. We type "Start", click OK and close that screen
    Immediately we click on icon for inspections (guy with hat)
    VIR screen opens and we type driver name, trlr number, ours doesn't ask for mileage and we type NO for defects. We don't send it right away. We put it in Drafts and send it right after we are done with inspection and just before the 10 mins is over.
    After we send it, we click on Pre trip again (which is Post trip for you)
    The white blank page opens and we type "End", OK and close it
    And then we immediately click on off duty.

    Hope this helps some.... let me know if you have any questions...:biggrin_25519:
     
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  6. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    Keep in mind, you have to retain BOTH paper and e-logs for six months in the office. They had better match EXACTLY.
     
  7. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Nope "I" don't have to retain both, however the company I drive for does, and the boss is aware of this. Now as far as match exactly, not possible. When paper uses 15 min blocks, it can not match the EOBR exactly. The paper will reflect earlier or later, and maybe an occasional exact time.
     
  8. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Thanks Rocks. That blank screen is one that no one really knew what to do with. By no one, that includes the boss. Talk about a cluster, and backwoods bumpkins. We get these things to use, but yet very little on what he expects in various things. Now this week he did go what I say is a little overboard, with the Shipper/ Commodity. With paper all we were required to fill in was the Shipper's name and what we're hauling. Now with the EOBR, we not only need that, but also must put the BOL and where it's going.
     
  9. LogsRus

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    I've been completing this immediately, then doing a quick inspection. Following that, I hit the off-duty icon. It seems that the inspection time is when I pressed the icon. So would it be better to first log on-duty from driving, then do the inspection, then press the inspection icon to complete the simplistic report?


    To that you are correct. Your logs should reflect you on-duty from the time you start the inspection and until you technically complete the inspection form. Keep in mind you must do a proper dot inspection for your pre and post-trip inspections.
    Many drivers "think" they can log a minimum each time, however you must log how long it takes you to complete the inspection and each inspection will be different.
    Example: I am doing a pre-trip on a truck only because I only have a truck prior to driving the truck today so therefore a pre-trip will only be on a truck not a truck and trailer. If I had a truck and trailer then a pre-trip will take me longer.
    If you simply make sure your e-logs has you on-duty when you start "any" inspection, do your proper dot inspection, do your vehicle inspection, then change your status you should never have any issue! It's making sure you understand what you should be doing on your pre and post-trips. Your post-trip inspections are actually the one's you should be doing a very good inspection on and noting any defects.
    If defects you MUST report it to the company and NO ONE should drive that equipment until it's repaired if it's a safety issue.
    THat's the best way I can sum it up for you in a nut shell :).
    396.13 and 396.11 read them regs on line and then read hte questions and answers.
    If you need I can link you to them regs. NOw I don't know what all you are supposed to inspect or how etc. I
    just know you should be on-duty especially if you are logging by the 1 minutes on your logs. If you are by the 5 minutes
    the questions is, can I do a pre, post, scale, fuel, load in less than 5 minutes? If no, then you should be on-duty from the time you start the work event until you complete the work event.
    I wanna help you as a driver and it sounds like you think the same as me so you are likely going to be a great logger :)
     
  10. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    You should not be filling out both paper logs and e-logs. THis is dulplicating logs.
    You simplyl have to fill out the post-trip inspection form your company requires! No paper AND electronic.
    If they require you to do both that's just crazy and adding paper work to themeselves they don't need!
    I hope you aren't talking about keeping electronic logs and paper logs because NO! That's not true and no one should have you doing this.
    Maybe if you are training on e-logs so you can get comfy with the e-logs but not doing both on going!

    Please tell me you don't think you have to keep paper logs and e-logs. You are taking the wole factor out of computer logging and making your life much harder or your company is... Feel free to talk to me inbox.. Im not attacking or dogging. Many people as auditors/companies don't explain properly so I hope they aren't making you do this or think this way.
     
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  11. Bayle

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    Did you not read what OP wrote? They are transitioning, meaning training involved. Therefore they are using both just to cya. In this case paper will still supersede electronic. Happens to me when changing trucks that have different slog systems. I'm currently on paper, anything on the elog is void, because it's not accurate.
     
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