Log Book Violation, any points on my license, insurance?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by vadim2200, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. vadim2200

    vadim2200 Light Load Member

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    I recently got log book violation for going over 14 hours of service due to sleeping 3 extra hours during the day in SC and having 15.5 hours. My question is: will i get any points on my license that will affect my insurance next year? And i am talking about my car insurance and truck insurance. I know ill get points on CSA and company will get one out of service. But i am worried about insurance. Also is it a good idea to call those ticket attorneys to fight it off, or since there is no points than its useless to do so?
     
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  3. snowblind

    snowblind Heavy Load Member

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  4. Pumpkin Oval Head

    Pumpkin Oval Head Road Train Member

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    I know traffic violation tickets can get reduced. But you have a DOT officer issued ticket for HOS violation, and I have never heard of one of them getting reduced.
     
  5. 900,000-tons-of-steel

    900,000-tons-of-steel Road Train Member

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    Why not just log out when you sleep?
     
  6. 900,000-tons-of-steel

    900,000-tons-of-steel Road Train Member

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    You can fight (challenge/contest) it but it's a kangaroo process and railroad job. I've never heard of ANYONE winning a DOT challenge for points/violations through the contesting procedure. In my case, they simply asked the DOT officer if the violation was valid even though I had photos proving otherwise. Like I said .... kangaroo/railroad. In any event, I'd still contest it.
     
  7. vadim2200

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    You mean instead of sleep put off duty? Because in HOS book it states about going to SBerth after 14 consecutive hours from pti. I tried to argue with officer but he just said that sleep counts against me like i am on duty. I always thought about 14 hours as driving and on duty, but sleep doesn't count. I guess i was wrong
     
  8. CondoCruiser

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    There's no stretching the 14 hour clock. You could get about a 2 hour nap in if you play it right in that time frame. I done that towards the end taking a lot of naps. It just how I got my sleep. A good sign you have sleep apnea. You're well rested but the DOT hasn't figured that scenario out in their little game plan. I used my magic pen to get 'er done.

    I got put OoS less than 15 miles from my customer for being 15 minutes over. He wouldn't let me finish the run. He wouldn't let me park at the scales either. He made me drive about half the distance to a truck stop. He said he was going to check on me. I wasn't going to argue with him. Mainly because the chewing tobacco Bigfoot looked at me almost eye level standing outside the truck. :)

    Luckily we had a truck at that customer and he come got my load.

    But no it won't go on your MVR but it will on your CSA2010. You need about 2-3 more of them to be hurting. So stay clean for 3 years. The point multiplier drops each year. Right now it's times 3, next year X2, 3rd year X1. You're almost defenseless trying to fight an inspection. Take it and move on. What state was it?
     
  9. Mark Kling

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    once you start your day, line 1, 2, 3, and 4 count against your 14.
     
  10. vadim2200

    vadim2200 Light Load Member

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    South Carolina I-95 north right before I-26. At night they just do logbook checks
     
  11. Scalemaster

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    It sounds like you got a bum deal. It is not always like that. Many challenges are successful in getting incorrect violations removed from inspection reports.

    Around here, any challenge is reviewed by the officer, yes, but also by his supervisor.

    In this case of being over the 14 hour rule, if the officer could not provide his supervisor with documentation that the driver was over the 14 hour rule, like copies of the drivers log sheet, then the violation (and associated points) would be removed from the inspection.

    However, if the driver was over his 14 hour rule at the time of stop there is nothing to remove/reduce.

    Data Q inspection challenges are a valuable tool when used appropriately by carriers and when there is a genuine review process at the inspecting agency.
     
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