Big Trouble, 5 criminal CDL tickets..

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by phoenixAM, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. pjw044

    pjw044 Heavy Load Member

    Good luck Bro..hope it all works out for you !
     
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  3. myminpins

    myminpins Road Train Member

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    I've worked in the criminal justice system and I would definitely advise you to get a lawyer and get a GOOD lawyer. Yup, it's going to cost you big time but, if it works out for you and you walk away with your CDL intact, it will be well worth it. A lot of lawyers will let you make payments these days so do some research, find a good lawyer who is NOT a sleezebag and best of luck to you!!!
     
  4. Ohnoo

    Ohnoo Light Load Member

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    You might want to check your state laws has you may need for a DOT officer to sign off on the repairs.

    Its your choice to get a lawyer or not after all its your cash, your points, and your MVR. But is it really worth saving 300$ just to end up spending 3,000$. You have a CDL now so in the eyes of the court you ll be treated has a professional driver. That means your supposed to know and do better.
     
  5. Pardel

    Pardel Light Load Member

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    Any chance it was a farm job. Aren't farms exempt from having to have CDL's if they are hauling for their own farm, as long as they aren't hauling commercially for someone else? Just a thought.
     
  6. Pardel

    Pardel Light Load Member

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    PhoneixAM, I just asked my husband (a retired police officer of over 20 years) what sanctions you will face. This is probably what will happen.

    (a) A huge fine (it's gonna be high)

    (b) Some type of probation

    (c) community service

    He says it will help that you have take the steps to get your CDL and drive legally.
    He also says when you go to court maintain your apologetic attitude. (it will help you, not a lot, but it will help a little).

    Hope this helps, remember we all make mistakes and occasionally use poor judgement. Good Luck!
     
  7. Lurchgs

    Lurchgs Road Train Member

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    I've done a bit of LE work as well..

    Managed for years to drive .. if not entirely safely, at least without a citation. Then, I snagged one for following too close in my pov. Yeah, it's not seen as .. heinous as what happened in Scottsdale, but *I* see it that way. I HATE tailgaters.

    When I went to traffic court, I could have insisted on a hearing in front of a judge, instead of one of the assistant DAs. I maintained a polite and friendly attitude through the whole process. The DA offered to reduce the charge (and the number of points), for me - but in this case, I declined. As a result, they completely dropped the other charge (no proof of insurance - I had it, but the paperwork was not in the car).

    Saved me a couple hundred bux by being friendly and civil.

    And a suit isn't needed at that point in the game. Dress casual if you like (I wore jeans and a decent shirt). Make sure you are clean (the guy arguing over his DUI in the next line hadn't showered since the civil war.)

    But, above all, keep your temper. If you don't use a lawyer, don't argue when a decision is handed down. At that point, it's all over but the epilogue, and freaking out is... um... not going to help.
     
  8. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I don't think you're fully aware of the problems you face. Like I said before, your biggest problems are going to be the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) if you want to hold on to your CDL. I'll list a few but there's more,

    Getting your CDL after the fact means nothing.
    1. §383.5 Definitions - Serious Traffic Violations =
    (f) Driving a CMV without obtaining a CDL.
    (g) Driving a CMV without a CDL in the drivers possession. Any individual who provides proof to the enforcement authority that issued the citation, by the date the individual must appear in court or pay any fine for such a violation, that the individual held a CDL ON THE DATE OF THE CITATION WAS ISSUED, shall NOT be guilty of this offense.

    So getting your CDL after the fact will not help you here unless the judge knows nothing about CMV..

    If you're convicted you must follow this regulation,
    Part §383 subpart C - Notification Requirements and Employer Responsibilities.
    §383.31 You must submit in writing within 30 days the following.
    A. Driver's full name.
    B. Driver's license number.
    C. Date of Conviction.
    D. The specific criminal or other offenses.
    E. Indication whether the offense was in a CMV.
    F. location of the offense.
    G. Driver's signature.

    This is just the beginning, you should take a look at §383.51, §383.52, §383.53 and then decide if you need a lawyer or not. Especially when your employer may find out he may be fined up to $25,000.

    Whether or not this happens I can't say. All I can say is there are regulations on the books that are out of the jurisdiction of your local court. These regulations are set in motion once you finish your court appearance. Now if you get an ignorant judge that has no idea what the CMV laws are you might get lucky but then again you might still get a letter from the state saying they want your CDL.

    Another point to remember here is that you did NOT violate the out of service condition unless you drove after being placed OOS.

    I don't know what you plan for the future but if driving a truck is your only path then you'll have a very hard time of it. Not only will you have problems holding onto your CDL but finding work in the future may be doubtful. It sounds like you're in the construction field and I can tell you from experience that it's much better to operate heavy construction equipment than drive a truck. Take a good look at all your options and if you decide to stay with your CDL then in my opinion you'd be a fool not to have a CMV lawyer. Good luck and let us know.
     
  9. Pete_379X

    Pete_379X Super Chrome

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    Not getting a lawyer eh? Good luck. You're gonna need it.
     
  10. MontyHall

    MontyHall Bobtail Member

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    Take a picture of that CDL you have now and frame it. Because its history !!! Life is tough as it is, but it is a lot tougher when one is stupid.
     
  11. phoenixAM

    phoenixAM Bobtail Member

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    I went to court and spoke with the an assistant prosecutor. She dropped the traffic charge and one of the CMV criminal charges.. She didn't bother to explain why and I didn't bother to ask for obvious reasons. Anyways, she asked me to enter a plea and I simply asked if I could speak with the prosecutor or the judge about the matter. She said in order to do so that I would have to enter a plea of 'not guilty.' So I did and she told me to take a seat in the court room to wait on the judge. About ten minutes later judge entered into the court room and eventually my case was called. He asked how I would plea to the charges and I asked him if the court would have mercy on me inlight of the corrections I made (getting the vehicle fixed, obtaining my cdl etc.) and if it were at all possible to reduce the charges in exchange for community service and a smaller fine. He informed me in a rather irritated tone that "The court does not give mercy." I remained politely composed during my dose of ridicule and though quite discouraged, we agreed on a 'not guilty' plea. Later that day I contacted the prosecutors office and am waiting for him to get back to me (hopefully before my next court date..) in hopes that we would come to an agreeable conclusion on the case.

    It seems that some of you are quite critical with the way i'm handling all this. But maybe you could further explain the virtues of having a lawyer represent me. The way I see it.. Unless the lawyer can determine that the officer unlawfully made the traffic stop.. the prosecutions case is completely solid. Think about this; If the officer lawfully pulled me over and I did not have a CDL/DOT and the vehicle was unsafe.. how is a lawyer going to defend me against such a rock solid case? Wouldn't I simply end up paying $300-$600 in attorney's fees, besides delaying the court, and end up paying the huge fine anyway considering the overwhelming evidence against me?

    I just need someone to take my case as an individual one. To simply hear me out ya know? I understand where the judge is coming from I guess - if I were DUI or if I had hurt somebody.. But the truth is I was just trying to get on with the days work.

    In any case.. if the court finds that I should pay such a fine then so be it. "Ju$tice is blind."
     
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